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I agree with you completely...which lends to the ? why did you pay $149 to be a beta tester

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You sound like my late grandfather who swore he'd never use radial tires because he didn't trust them. .Net is the most advanced programming platform in history and it's quite apparent you don't know much about it. If this were the year 2000, you might have a right to be scepticle, but come on... It's not like its untested at this point. Microsoft is finished version 3.5 of the framework, working on version 4, and most likely has the plans for version 5 on the drawing board. Go ahead and stick with your software that was developed using technology from last century, but when your Windows 98 computer dies and you're forced to buy a new one, don't come crying to this forum when you're in complete shock that your 10 year old program is having problems.

Karma is in beta, which means it's not feature complete but it's available to the public to help test it. The alpha testing phase is what you didn't see. Latshaw Systems is very wise in releasing it before it is feature complete. Have you looked at the version history for the last week? Theyr'e releasing like two releases a day, knocking out bugs and adding features like clockwork, and at a pace that I have never seen in any product. Do you think they could have gotten that much input by putting in the hands of only a few people?

It is human nature for people to shy away from what they don't understand and simply put, that is all that is going on here in this thread. For God's sake people, help others out in this forum. Making comments like "I won't install ANYTHING that uses Microsoft .net." without giving a valid explanation isn't real helpful. Stop telling people what the answer ISN'T, unless you actually know what the answer IS.

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I too own KJ File Manager, Song List Generator and Request Slip Generator, and I too only wish that I had found them years earlier. Latshaw is an inovator and his products are unique and foreward thinking. They are not stuck in the sixties.

Mrmarog

I thought beta testing was for programs that were nearly finished and had a few bugs to work out. This program wouldn't even install or run on my computer. Is that ready for beta testing?

Is it fair to put a program out for beta testing that can cause your system to crash? or that can cause other potential harm? Seems to me this program is still at the pre beta stage and needs a lot of work before allowing the public to try it out.

I can see this kind of practice generating lots of ill will rather than goodwill. Latshaw would be better off having 3 or 4 computers in their offices to test the program out on rather than using the public as guinea pigs. This whole process seems poorly thought out and unprofessional.

If you want to put your best foot forward and generate some interest, excitement and publicity I would think you would do it with something that was far along the way and nearly ready for release, not something that was full of bugs, unstable and potentially damaging to unsuspecting, random individuals.

I embrace new technology and new ways of doing things and I'm currently actively looking for a quality hosting program. Latshaw doesn't look like it to me right now.

Another example. I read a comment about Roxbox here at Karaoke Scene recently and decided to give it another look. It was supposed to be new and improved, re written and better than ever. The program wouldn't install properly or run on my computer. I have tried lots of other programs recently with no problems installing or running. Why do some programs install with no problems, run just fine with no problems and others can't even get past this stage?

I use this computer daily and run a bunch of different programs on it with no problems.

In addition the the other problems Roxbox came with a virus that AVG detected and cleaned. Needless to say, Roxbox was summarily deleted and will not be considered again in the future even for free nor will any Karaoke program that uses winamp. If it's built on winamp I will run in the opposite direction as fast as I can.

As I use latshaws song list generator( I have bought 2 others including KJPro) I got his initial email about karma. I installed it and imported over 13k of karaoke zip files. Played a song and did not listen to the audio on the system just laptop internal speakers. I will not pass judgement on it until it is developed a bit more. I dont think I would buy it though. I have run computer karaoke for 6-8 years and probably have invested at least $1000 in karaoke related software. I started with cavs player. encoder and decoder. I used strictly Winamp for a year or two. Then bought Sax N Dotty. My private parties needed a KJ DJ type so I tried them all again. They were all too restrictive and the only one I had control of and could totally tailor for my different formats and prefs was RoxBox. All here that laugh when I mention RoxBox I would like to sit you down at my computer for about 10 minutes.

If anybody is judging a software with vista you are a fool If you install SP2 you are a bigger fool. Vista was not written For A Daw and is not conducive for karaoke or DJ. Hopefully in a few years we can switch to linux.

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The computer I tried to install Roxbox on is an XP computer.

What was the error or symptom during install?

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I'm sorry, I don't recall what the error message or what the problem was.

Lately when I have a program that won't install properly or that crashes the first time I try to launch it, gets unistalled immediately and deleted.

When I realized Roxbox uses winamp that made the final decision easy. I won't have winamp on any of my computers anymore. I've found much better programs that are stable, simple and that are well behaved. Even though I had a problem with Roxbox, I still plan on buying the SCDG conversion program from KJamp within the next few weeks. I am going to order a bunch of CAVS discs that will need to be converted into CD+G files. I hope that program works better than Roxbox.

OK Would suggest you join the kjamp forum. I have talked to Frank several times on the phone. He is available on the phone for tech support almost at any time. He does do 3 or 4 gigs in the DFW area at nights. Yes he is a KJ.

Ollie

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You "Hit-The-Nail" on the head on that one!

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I'm one of the KJs here in Baltimore that had the priveledge of alpha testing earlier builds. I personally know a dozen others that are now testing the betas on every flavor of XP and Vista, and haven't heard of one person not being able to install it yet. Perhaps its your machine that's not ready for beta testing. Instead of telling everyone on a forum that its crap just because you couldn't get it to run, why not actually contact Latshaw and give them the exact details of your error, because, as a lot of us know, they'll usually have you fixed within 24 hours. Plus, you may help remove an unkown bug and make everyone happier.

It's not like Latshaw Systems is some huge company like Microsoft where a bug report gets lost in the shuffle. I've seen them fix a bug and have the revision posted within the hour. I enjoy that type commitment on their part. Enjoy it now before they get too big, because I don't foresee them going under anytime soon.

let me know will ya? cos I tried roxbox to rip the scdgs that came with the cavs player I bought...and havent been successful yet.

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Most here don't have time to report flaws on programs that aren't ready. I have Vista & all updates (like it said it required to run, even the latest netframe) & the demo crashed on mine trying to point to my music drive. This is something I would not pursue or even try to work on - this should've been done before released IMO. There was nothing in the program that I needed more than I already have & use. I'm always up to try new things, but this one didn't cut it on the first try!

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Lonman says:
"Most here don't have time to report flaws on programs that aren't ready."

It appears as though you are a very active poster in a quite a few forums Lonman. When do you actually work?

As was just stated by Bobble.
"Instead of telling everyone on a forum that its crap just because you couldn't get it to run, why not actually contact Latshaw and give them the exact details of your error"

Lonman, how many products out ther became great products instantly without without hundreds of progressive steps. I love the radial tire story told ealier by Bobble.

Mrmarog

whoa dude...
He is active becos he is helpful.
Just because he doesnt like your product does not make him some kind of waster who has nothing better to do.
You came here spouting forth that your product was the next best thing to the second coming (something I dont subscribe to btw) if perhaps you had asked for help then you might have got a better response.
Humility is far more acceptable than arrogance
It was not your manhood that has been criticised...if every single person that went and tried your product on your suggestion had trouble, then thank the good people and go back to the drawing board

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Lonman happen to be an Admin in this forum, and a very respected poster here. You will not get far with your product in this forum with that kind of atitude. That I can assure you.

this thread may end up locked or threshed.

To all who have posted or read this thread, I have no affiliation whatsoevr to "Bob" Latshaw or any of his products. I am a serious karaoke enthusiast that is very interested in anything that is moving this industry in new and exciting directions. Latshaw has come up with many such ideas and I believe he has more to come.

I sincerely apologize to anyone that has taken my critcism personally, but sometimes the only way to get noticed is to stir things up a bit. I feel Latshaw is worthy of more consideration, and that is why I started this thread. Hard work needs recognition and many times encouragement and "positive feedback".

Let's all work together to make karaoke the best it can be.

Mrmarog

Opinions are what makes the world unique. Every computer I've tried .net on has bogged down. Win2k, XPHome and XPPro. I keep my computers simple, and not loaded with useless crap. Quite simply, I don't LIKE it. And I don't install any products that need it. For my OWN SPECIFIC needs.

I wasn't telling anybody ELSE not to do it. I said "I" and I MEANT "I"!

My show computer doesn't access the net, doesn't need to. In my opinino, anybody that does use an online computer for shows is stupid if you do, thanks to the virii and trojans out there. I don't use downloaded tracks, so have NO need to use the net for my pc.

I have exactly what I need on it. There are a LOT of programs that kjs use that I don't agree with, either. Some I do.

I've DONE my time beta testing several programs out there. For you to slam me based on a comparison to your grandfather is insulting, and I for one won't communicate any further with you. I've been a member on here for a long time, you've been here for six posts. My record stands for itself, both as a techie, and a student of how to do things. I'm always learning. I never stop studying things, and I ask questions all the time.

Shame you didn't start asking questions rather than come out with the b*tchslap.

Whatever... I'm done with you!