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 Post subject: Re: Bribery
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:23 am 
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DangerousDanKaraoke @ Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:40 pm wrote:

At my venue, by 10 pm I usually have a rotation of 20 or more. If I move someone to #15 from #20 because they gave me an Alex Hamilton, it's not like I'm violating some sacred trust. Just like the bartender who'll pass over all the yokels crowding the bar for a beer to get the drink order of the person who tipped him last round.

As for putting someone in the next few singers? If they haven't sung yet and most of the people in the rotation already have? Sure, I can be swayed with a nice honorarium.



That may work for you, but if I were to even suspect a KJ of doing that, I'd never be back to their show. There are places around here known to play favorites, and I won't go to them because of that. I believe in a fair rotation, plain and simple. I always know who I'm supposed to be after in the rotation (except when a new singer comes in), and I usually know at least a few ahead of that person (mostly so I can get a drink, water, bathroom break, etc before I'm up). If I notice someone is out of order, and it seems to be because they are tipping, bribing, or friends with the KJ...I'm gone. Oh, and your bartender comment...I was a bartender and all of my customers received equal service, regardless of who tipped how much when. Not everyone tips every round...many wait til the end of the night, so there is no excuse for a bartender to do that and I have never seen it in this area.


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 Post subject: Re: Bribery
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:39 am 
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Re Invention @ Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:05 pm wrote:
DangerousDanKaraoke @ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:41 am wrote:
If you come in late and haven't sung yet (and everyone else in the queue has already done so once or twice) I'm happy to put you up WITHOUT any "honorarium" too.


Well I'm glad you're happy, but you would have just made me unhappy. If I sang twice already it means that I've been there patronizing the bar for a couple of hours. If someone wasn't even in the bar yet when my last song was put in, why exactly should they get to sing before me?


Because they are a new paying customer for the bar and deserve to be added to the rotation. Not everyone is able to be at the bar when karaoke starts. Case in point...after my wedding reception, we went 15 minutes down the road for karaoke. A friend of mine left a few minutes before me and got my song put in, because it was the last hour. I sang within 5 minutes of walking in, and not one customer had a problem with it. No one at this show EVER has a problem with new singers being added...whether they just walked in or have been there all night. There were about a dozen of us that went there from the reception, and a few others sang too...and we spent well over $100-200 at the bar (that's a big bar tab in this area, even for a dozen people). Now, I always cringe when someone new walks in and grabs the karaoke book, cause that's one more person in the rotation. It's really not fair to expect everyone wanting to sing to be there at the start of karaoke, so I accept latecomers as a fact of life. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Bribery
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:25 am 
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How you insert new people into the rotation really has nothing to do with taking bribes. I use the "insert new singers every other singer" way without ever taking bribes. If Jesus Christ himself came in and wanted to be first in line, I would tell him he had to wait his turn, and he would probably be OK with that.

Bribes and favoritism = bad reputation. People DO remember that, even if they don't say anything.

Just my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Bribery
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:57 am 
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For me it isn't so much an issue of ethics, it's just bad business to mess with the rotation. I'm not sure I really like calling it a "bribe," because bribery implies that the person taking the money is being asked to do something illegal or otherwise impermissible. It isn't illegal and doesn't violate any rules for a KJ to run an unfair or inconsistent rotation. It will, however, alienate those who are waiting to sing and are getting screwed. In that sense, it is foolish in the long run to do it.

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I remember explaining that I dont take bribes for 5 minutes to a guy who wanted to push his GF up in the rotation for $20.

I then realized who his GF was and that she was up next ANYWAY in the rotation without any special favors.

I turned down the bribe and would not accept it as a tip for even the appearance of bribery (everyone nearby could see he was trying to bribe me)...

A reputation for bribery can ruin your reputation with many as a KJ. NOT worth it.


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Dr Fred @ Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:21 pm wrote:
I remember explaining that I dont take bribes for 5 minutes to a guy who wanted to push his GF up in the rotation for $20.

I then realized who his GF was and that she was up next ANYWAY in the rotation without any special favors.

I turned down the bribe and would not accept it as a tip for even the appearance of bribery (everyone nearby could see he was trying to bribe me)...

A reputation for bribery can ruin your reputation with many as a KJ. NOT worth it.


LMAO I have had that happen to me several times also. Usually they'll tip me anyway unless like you said it is an obvious bribe. Then I'll tell them just tip me before you leave if you've had a good time, but I can't take it as a bribe.

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 Post subject: Re: Bribery
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It is defined as ‘the misuse of entrusted power for private gain’. The Oxford English. However, the fact that there are different types of corruption makes it difficult to arrive at a single all-encompassing definition. There is a difference between bribing an official to do something legal (e.g. bribing a civil servant to speed up the process of acquiring a document of some sort) and bribing an official to do something illegal (e.g. bribing a teacher to give you a good mark in an exam when in fact you didn’t pass).
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