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Whenever the crowd gets the feeling that everything is up for grabs and any behavior is going to be tolerated, no matter how wild it is, you will lose control of the situation. The good people will gravitate away from your karaoke. You will be left with the undesirables.

The thing is, if we are "all adults," we should all be able to follow any rules set out - including not swearing - one of the things that MAKES us adult. Yeah, people do stupid things when they're drunk, but even so, warning them or "reprimanding" them will usually work. "We're all adults" does not mean "Do whatever you want," or that we should pander to the lowest common denominator. There is way too much complacency and easy acceptance of this kind of thing (and I speak generally here, not just about karaoke).

I'm not prudish by any means, but I don't want to be bombarded with expletives when I go out for an evening of karaoke. Things like You Oughta Know don't bother me, but things that use vulgarity simply for the sake of vulgarity do make me uncomfortable, and I would not frequent a show where that was prevelent. Of course, there are people who do enjoy that....so it really does come down to a particular venue and/or crowd.

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A bar/restaurant is a public place. Just as a school, library, grocery store, shopping mall, street corner, church, park etc.

There are expected behaviors in all of these places.

Because a bar serves alcohol is not a reason for any disrespectful behavior. PERIOD. Swearing is not exceptable in any PUBLIC place. Because someone is drinking everyone should have to accept and expect rude, insulting, degrading behavior because you the non caring KJ think it's so? WRONG

People should not have to be exposed to it in public regardless of the presence of alcohol. Alcohol is not the ticket to get out of acting respectful, ever. Drink responsibly and act like a normal human being. Nothing on the beer bottle/ liquor license/ bar door says start drinking and act like a jerk.

If you want to act like a jerk you can do it at your house. IN PRIVATE. Most people don't think it's cute or funny.

I as a KJ will not permit it at my shows. Out of respect for everyone. I'm not in business to cater to drunk jerks. I cater to respectable people.

Usually the age of the KJ has something to do with how they let their crowds behave. Younger girls swearing like sailors isn't very lady-like. Younger guys swearing to act mature, isn't mature. Most younger KJs think it's exceptable. It's not.

Nobody swears more than me. Buy not in mixed company, in public. I, like most adults don't want to see girls or ladies swearing. Most ladies don't want to hear grown men swearing. Most grown men don't want people swearing in front of their wives or girlfriends. It's a bar...what did you expect???? It's a public place...That's what I expect.

It all comes down to respect. Some have it and some don't. Some give it and some don't.

Bravo, Sidewinder.

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That kind of thing does not really "offend me", but it gets a tad annoying. There are some songs that have the F bomb in every other line it seems, and it does nothing more for me than make me roll my eyes... and imo, it also distracts from actually listening to the singers performance... since the F bomb is what stands out in the song. Racy/seggestive type songs are funny in a bar setting tho. (again, imo)

My husband... will leave a bar if he hears much of it. He can't stand swear words in songs, or even very suggestive songs. (the first time he heard Short Dyck Man and Crazy Be-otch, I thought he'd never shut up about it)

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Ditto.

Saying f*ck is not disrespectful. Saying f*ck you is. There's a difference, and knowing it is the trick that I think many around these parts haven't grasped. I'm nearly 40, so equating swear words with younger crowds is lost on me. I know plenty of post-30 folk whose mouths would make the twenty-somethings blush.

Words are just words. Whatever context you place on them is YOUR problem, not that of those who speak (or sing) them. I have a Masters in English, but it doesn't mean I exercise every tenet and rule thereof daily. Nor should the "common man" be expected to. If it's not your thing to listen to or allow swearing, so be it. No biggie. But to denounce those that do does a disservice to you, not them.

S'all I got to say.

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With all due respect, she didn't denounce anyone. She described how it made her feel. Much like it makes me feel, to be honest. (Though re-reading this, I am not sure you were talking about her comment.)

I was a sailor for 6 years, and lived a pretty rough life for 4 more years before that. I am certainly no stranger to profanity. But I find too much of it tiresome, and I don't believe it is good to use it. I try not to, myself.

In the one place I do karaoke that allows profanity, I don't do any more than take out songs from my library. They may allow the songs, but I don't have to carry them. I am glad I don't have more Adam Sandler, and I erased the Bloodhound Gang songs the other day. Someone wanted me to buy SC8700, and I refused. But if someone brings in the disk, I will play it. And I do have a lot of stuff with the occasional F-word in it, subject to my general dearth of unrequested modern pop. I download songs as they ask for them, these days, and have them the next week.

Yeah, sorry. My comment wasn't directed at any one particular person or post. It was just a general thing. I was initially agreeing with MandiLynn, and just went one step further.

I was also having a bad night last night and made several posts that were maybe a bit much. I'm trying to track them down right now.

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I just see no reason why the word F### needs to be said on the mic unless it's in a song. I actually don't care to have anyone say anything over the mic unless it's a short dedication or congratulations.

Don't you guys find sometimes that if someone is going to swear on the mic they put emphasis on the swear word. It's odd, almost like they think if they yell it as loud as they can it's cool.

Now if someone says it nonchalantly in a sentence I tend to think they did it unintentionally. So I'll just remind them to watch what they say on the mic. But when they are screaming it because they think their being cool, they'll get a warning.

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You mean it's not cool.

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What type of establishments do you people play in?

Every patron swears and doesn't care about how anyone else may feel about it?

Nobody has any respect for anyone regardless of the age or gender?

KJs are just as ignorant and other uncarings?

Serving alcohol makes everything OK. Like it's the master excuse for this kind of behavior.

Gee!!! It's too F***ing bad you brought your F***ing daugther, and your F***ing wife, and your F***ing mother and your F***ing grandmother with you to-F***ing-night cause we're gonna burn their F***ing ears off with our normal extremely F***ing bad behavior. Hope they like the F***ing F bomb because they're serving F***ing alcohol and you know how F***ing much it F***ing makes us not care about F***ing anything or F***ing anyone. We're just having F***ing fun. And everyone likes a good F***ing unnecessary F Bomb. It puts you in a good mood. After you drink enough it won't matter to you either. Hey I even get paid to do this.

Allowing this at your show says a whole lot about you. Whether it's in the song or not. You don't hear it on the radio or TV. Or any other public place. It would make the difference between me hiring you and not hiring you for my bar. You are degrading the entire atmosphere. And every person in the room, including yourself, your business reputation and the bar owner and his reputation. It show your total lack of respect. You are not respecting your elders and you are giving the younger ones a bad example. You are actually encouraging them and helping them to do it. Why would you condone it? If it was your kids or parents would you like it? Would your parents like they way you run your show? Would you like your kid or parents to run a show this way? Make you all proud inside??? Such a good job of raising respectable offspring.

You can try to justify your actions by saying it's in the song and I didn't write it. Freedom of expression or whatever other bull crap idea you can come up with. The fact remains it still reflects directly on you. And how people will preceive you and your business. Just because some jerks are having fun doing it doesn't make it right.

Our show has been giving out bars of soap, and dummy's pretty much since we began... every time someone swore on the mic or said something offensive... at the end of the song we'll hand them a bar of soap (or threaten to take them outside and put them across our knee)...

In one of our venues bad language is allowed, the bar owner sings a lot of risque songs and when he offered me the job, I discussed the issue with him. We concluded that in his venue, with the crowd he has (which could be described as rough diamonds) bad language would be allowed. I tend to forewarn any visiting customers that they may need "change channels or grab some fresh air" if I notice certain songs appear in rotation. I then proceed after the song to praise the singer and comment that my damaged little ears that may not recover. I tend to get one unsuitable song every two months, so for me it’s not a huge worry.

The other venue, which has a whole thread dedicated to itself, never had any bad language over the microphone, until the new owner sang F*** her gently. Although I forewarned people at the start that for some the content of the song may not be suitable, my regulars continued to sit, I assume because they are so used to swear words being substituted for more humorous, more appropriate language. The song began and all the customers at the venue sat in open mouth horror: up until that point I don't even think they knew songs like that existed, luckily for our show the shocked silence appears to have stopped anyone using bad language over the microphone in this venue as well.

Although as a company we don't believe in censorship, we do this so that the customers who don't approve of bad language could see we were taking steps to make the night more suitable for all.

We very rarely get any problems now... and all of our regulars beep, remove the mic or substitute any offensive words.

Sidewinder -
I like how you get a point across.

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So, what you're saying, is that because I don't really think swearing is such a big deal, that:

1) I have no respect for my elders
2) I'm a poor father
3) I'm an ignorant, uncaring host
4) People who swear are jerks

Am I clear on this?

For the record, swearing doesn't happen often at my shows, and never over the mic when it's not in a song. I'm just the type of person who finds censorship ridiculous, and refuse to do it. If someone said something over the top or was clearly offending others, I'd step in (as evidenced by my "Losing Your Cool" thread), but I'm not being paid to be the moral compass for the Mid-West.

Personally, I find it far more offensive for someone to be so judgmental about the character of a person because of the type of words that don't bother them, than to hear an f bomb in the middle of a song.

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"For the record, swearing doesn't happen often at my shows, and never over the mic when it's not in a song. I'm just the type of person who finds censorship ridiculous, and refuse to do it. If someone said something over the top or was clearly offending others, I'd step in (as evidenced by my "Losing Your Cool" thread), but I'm not being paid to be the moral compass for the Mid-West.

Personally, I find it far more offensive for someone to be so judgmental about the character of a person because of the type of words that don't bother them, than to hear an f bomb in the middle of a song."


I agree with you 100 % on that swirl.

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Because of my career as a teacher, I have made liguistics and syntax a matter of examination and study. What I have found in regard to the younger crowd is, more often than not, profanity is used because of very limited vocabularies in young adults. Apparently, young people are not equiped with large enough vocabularies to be able to express themselves without the use of profanity. In fact, since we all know that the English language is an evolving language, many of the words my generation and older generations would never use publicly has become standard gramatical English to many. One of the most disgusting things I see is the number of people who do not know which "their, there, or they're" to use in their writing. The other problem is not knowing which "to, too, two" to use when communicating. No wonder, many younger people have trouble getting jobs. Their ability to write is lost in the fact that they have limited vocabularies. As an English teacher, I have argued (on the state level even) that low scores in every content area of study suggests that kids can not read. They can't read because they have limited vocabularies. It does not mean they are not intelligent, it just means that the education system has failed over the last 15 to 20 years to teach solid vocabulary and spelling to kids. No wonder, the only way to express themselves is to stand at a mic and yell f-bombs for everyone to hear. I often tell young people they loose their crediblity as soon as they begin to use profanity. I never take anyone too serious when the best they can do is curse. I like intelligent discourse when engaging conversation with individuals of any age. It has become my goal to try to change the habits of as many kids as I have come through my classroom each year. I want them to be able to speak without use of slang, or curse words. Then, as one generation finds its way to better speaking and higher standards of language, other s will follow. That is just my two cents worth and I realize my opinion is only important to me! Thanks for letting this English teacher from Texas rant and rave for a minute! Have a great weekend!--Mike

Check out my intoxicated person thread for more info.

ml_texas, very eloquently put and I do agree with a majority of what you said. I really think this texting craze is contributing to this generations horrible spelling ability. I see several other words in forums that are frequently used incorrectly such as, ( there, they're, their ) ( base, bass ) and of course ( loose, lose ).

If you and several other people on this forum could take a little constructive criticism, please use paragraphs when writing longer posts, it helps in being able to read them. Thank you, Rudy.