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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:47 pm 
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Ok, they say karaoke didn't kill anyone, but..... This happened at one of my shows a couple of years ago. I walked into the bar early, just as I normally do. Started to set up my equipment, just like any other night. At the bar were a handfull of regulars and one gentleman that I didn't recognize. All these people were just sitting there, seemingly "relaxing" and having a drink. The one man that I didn't know seemed to be carrying on all the coversation, nobody was paying any attention to him in the slightest. After about an hour or more, the man told everyone of his plans, again, no-one listening. He got up to leave, walked out the door, got in his car, and shot himself twice in the chest, right in plain view of the bar maid, she saw everything, but was unable to stop him.

Needless to say the rest of the night was a total "downer". It just goes to show that when someone is asking for "help",,,everyone around really should listen.

Just wanted to see if any of you have "horror" stories to share

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Didn't happen at a show, but after he left! Regular was cut off, stayed & drank water & coffee for another hour, drove off & was killed in a crash with a telephone pole this last Sat morning.

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Also, didn't happen at the show...but after he left.
I've told the story here before. A young gentleman that had been hanging around my show with his gf and friends for about a year. Was in one night and had sang several times, which he wasn't known to do. He sang the last song of the night, with my wife...Picture (big surprise). Apparently he and the gf got into an arguement later than morning, around 4am and he shot himself. Wow, what a memory...MrD

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Wow man, these stories are HARSH!

Worst I have seen or heard of is someone falling and hurting themselves. The same girl, 3 times.


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Here in Portland a few years ago at the AMBASSADOR lounge--they had a disgruntled ex-lover come in and SHOOT TO DEATH the ex-girlfriend who was the KJ for the night-- right in the middle of the show. Made all the local news shows and maybe onto the national wires.

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http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/st ... p?ID=40626

The Lounge now has counstructed a DJ boothe complelty enclosed with BULLETPROOF GLASS! If you want to give the DJ a song---you either do it over the computer terminal by the booth or put a slip through a narrow window slot. You can can speak to the DJ thorugh slots in the window.

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The worst I've seen at karaoke:

The bartender asked a patron to leave because he was drunk and out of hand. She had to walk him to the door because he was refusing to leave. This bartender was a very pretty girl, probably could have been a model. She was tall thin and noticably beautiful. Anyway once they got to the door he pulled her outside and started to punch her. She got him to the ground and got a few of her own punches in. Ends up she gets the best of this guy. The cops come and wisk him away. She was quite bruised up after and missed a couple of days of work.

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It's horrible when someone takes anothers life ........

If you want to KILL YOURSELF I say ..whoo hooo GO FOR IT !!!
just don't splatter blood all over the place .....

Just leave the innocent alone !!!


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Wow SwingcatKurt! I wasn't aware of that story. But I do have two wonderful ladies, regulars, who want to take me to lesbian karaoke in Portland sometime.

I wonder if that's the place. The Ambassador, huh? I'll ask them this week.

I really don't have any stories of that caliber, or of any of the others so far. So for now I don't have anything to contribute.


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Babs: He punched a woman? Surprised the entire crowd didn't jump him? That is never tolerated anywhere!


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No they probly want to take u to THE EGYPTIAN for lesbian karaoke---its a lesbian bar---with some pretty good karaoke singers.

Here's the Egyptian:

http://www.nwkaraokeguide.net/2007%20Fi ... anClub.php

Ambassador is middle of the road and NO SWEAR WORDS ALLOWED by the owner Sammy(He also owns the Chopsticks Karaoke bars(two of them) and used to own The Grand Cafe. Make sure you hit the Ambassador---its a REALLY CLASSY bar. Two Karaoke rooms. They just finished a HUGE remodel and dumped BIG $$$$ into it---VERY SHARP look inside.

Here's the Ambasssador:

http://www.ambassadorkaraoke.com/main.htm

Let me know when u plan to come up----Ill go with ya!

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These ladies are a lot of fun. I'll definitely let you know. It's going to be later this fall probably. Portland's a ways away.

Thanks for the further info!


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As someone who has had a suicide in their family, I know it hurts more than the one who does it. I was told that most suicides feel they are going to be making everyone else's life easier, but nothing could be farther from the truth.

Most suicides are either 1) manic depressives or 2) alcoholic. Or both. It can usually be helped, but not if people assume anyone with either of the above problems is weak or immoral instead of sick.


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As someone who has had a suicide in their family, I know it hurts more than the one who does it. I was told that most suicides feel they are going to be making everyone else's life easier, but nothing could be farther from the truth.


Subject close to my heart.

My uncle committed suicide when I was 8. He was 34.

He was a stunningly handsome man, real personality, and someone I wish could be in my life now - as I could see him as a great friend as well as family - my grandmother finds it funny how I have grown up to be so like him - in looks, mannerisms, personality, interests...

He was ill. VERY ILL. He had some sort of blood illness that was eating away at him (I think it was cancer related but I didn't understand at the time, and I see no need to ask). Everytime I saw him, he would be slimmer, more gaunt, and less "there". I didn't understand at the time - as a kid, when someone is ill, they get better. But he didn't. He was in hospital for weeks at a time, then longer, then longer.

He lived with a friend in Glastonbury (south coast, UK). So was about 6 hours drive away. One night my mother got a call, and I was told basically that he died. Years later she told me that he had committed suicide. His life was being taken from him day by day, he was getting weaker and weaker, and less able to support himself in ANY way. He didn't want to burden anyone and so saw this as "bowing out gracefully". He ran a hot bath, smoked a spliff, got in and slit his wrists. He did this underwater and his last act was to call 999, turn on the taps and pull the plug - an effort to leave no mess for anyone to clean up.

I do not agree that it was the "best" thing to do, because I know his family would kill for just 5 minutes more with him. But I 100% stand by his actions. He thought it through, it was what he needed. He tried to do it cleanly and with as little fuss as possible (ultimately failed, as he never knew how much blood the human body holds, and there was a lot of legal BS afterwards, as his mate owned half of the company they ran, etc). He basically wanted to die with some integrity, on his terms. I want to be buried alongside him when I go!

So, I just want to make my stance clear on that. Sorry for rambling!


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mckyj57 @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:32 pm wrote:
Most suicides are either 1) manic depressives or 2) alcoholic. Or both. It can usually be helped, but not if people assume anyone with either of the above problems is weak or immoral instead of sick.


what a generalisation...please qualify this garbage with "in my opinion" so as we can all realise you fart from the mouth

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About a year ago had a couple come in and sing one or two songs, something very odd about the two (but I get a lot of odd people at the shows), the gal that sang after them almost gagged on the mic that he was using they were that stinky (convinced me to keep a can of lysol handy) ...

Before the evening was through they had killed a man in the woods about 10 miles east - put a hammer in the back of his head. They were captured less than a week later.

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Yesterday a man shot eight people (six dead - including a female deputy) in my county. Much sadness in and around today.


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In most suicide cases I've been involved in, I've come to the conclusion that in the vast majority of cases that suicide is a long term solution to a temporary problem(s). Most are due to either relationship or financial problems. I am of course not including those caused by major mental or physical illnesses.

Unfortunately those left behind suffer for the rest of their lives with the loss of a family member or friend, wondering why. Who I feel most sorry for are the kids who think that their parent didn't love them or that they were the cause of the death.

I've seen the results of gunshots, jumpers from the bridges in our city, hangings, and probably the one that was the most imaginive (though death never is) is when a person put a blasting cap between their teeth on one side of their face and inserted the leads into an electrical outlet. The side where the cap was was obliberated, and the other side was perfectly intact. The reason? They found out their fiancee was fooling around. It was a tragic waste of life.

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As someone who has had a suicide in their family, I know it hurts more than the one who does it. I was told that most suicides feel they are going to be making everyone else's life easier, but nothing could be farther from the truth.


Subject close to my heart.

My uncle committed suicide when I was 8. He was 34.

He was a stunningly handsome man, real personality, and someone I wish could be in my life now - as I could see him as a great friend as well as family - my grandmother finds it funny how I have grown up to be so like him - in looks, mannerisms, personality, interests...

He was ill. VERY ILL. He had some sort of blood illness that was eating away at him (I think it was cancer related but I didn't understand at the time, and I see no need to ask). Everytime I saw him, he would be slimmer, more gaunt, and less "there". I didn't understand at the time - as a kid, when someone is ill, they get better. But he didn't. He was in hospital for weeks at a time, then longer, then longer.

He lived with a friend in Glastonbury (south coast, UK). So was about 6 hours drive away. One night my mother got a call, and I was told basically that he died. Years later she told me that he had committed suicide. His life was being taken from him day by day, he was getting weaker and weaker, and less able to support himself in ANY way. He didn't want to burden anyone and so saw this as "bowing out gracefully". He ran a hot bath, smoked a spliff, got in and slit his wrists. He did this underwater and his last act was to call 999, turn on the taps and pull the plug - an effort to leave no mess for anyone to clean up.

I do not agree that it was the "best" thing to do, because I know his family would kill for just 5 minutes more with him. But I 100% stand by his actions. He thought it through, it was what he needed. He tried to do it cleanly and with as little fuss as possible (ultimately failed, as he never knew how much blood the human body holds, and there was a lot of legal BS afterwards, as his mate owned half of the company they ran, etc). He basically wanted to die with some integrity, on his terms. I want to be buried alongside him when I go!

So, I just want to make my stance clear on that. Sorry for rambling!

That is an unusual suicide. Most kill themselves because they can't bear to go on living. This is usually depression.

An attempted suicide asked a psychiatrist what depression felt like and was told, "You know that feelling you had just before you tried to kill yourself? That was depression."

My sister killed herself at the age of 25. She was a manic depressive, but depression wasn't quite so well understood then. It devastated our family.


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timberlea @ Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:11 am wrote:
In most suicide cases I've been involved in, I've come to the conclusion that in the vast majority of cases that suicide is a long term solution to a temporary problem(s). Most are due to either relationship or financial problems. I am of course not including those caused by major mental or physical illnesses.

I'd be willing to bet that most of those cases involved alcohol or drug abuse.

The number of suicides in a country or population roughly correlates to the rate of alcoholism, though there are populations (notably people of East Asian extraction) where this is skewed. The 5 highest rates of suicide by country are probably about the 5 highest rates of alcholism. Of course no stats are kept on alcoholism, but I can guarantee the top three countries in suicide rate, Lithuania, Belarus, and Russia, are way up on the list. In the US and Canada, one of the highest rates of both alcoholism and suicide is in Native Americans.

The NIMH and CDC recognize this and consider that the best treatment to prevent suicide is to take care of the underlying substance abuse or emotional problem. The top two risk factors for suicide -- besides previous attempts -- are alcohol/drug abuse and depression.


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My son committed suicide about 23 years ago. I went through the shock and then the wonder why. The way I found to get through the whole thing was what I tell everyone remember the fun and good things the person brought to this world Dave


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