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But can you explain why the 100Hz low-cut? Is it because bass sounds better rolled off, and so many people don't do it? I am certainly willing to learn if something I think I understand is wrong.

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Quite honestly I couldn't tell you why manus set their cuts at different levels from 75, 80, 100 even seen a 60 once on a high end recording board & a 120hz cut - can't remember where. I personally do not like a lot of bass on vocals, especially live. IMO it muddies up the mix. Not saying you are wrong, I just personally don't think it makes THAT much of a difference between an 80 or 100 hz cut for vocals.

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I am sure you are right -- you have a lot more experience than I do and have undoubtedly seen many a bass singer cross the stage.

As a singer tending toward but not really being bass myself, I do notice the lack of lows on a lot of setups. And a fair number of people like low notes.There are a couple of low notes I hit that are given short shrift in a lot of setups. In particular, there is one note in "Seashores of Old Mexico" that gets a real nice reaction when I hit it right. It is a G2, which is 98Hz. I don't really go any lower than that except on songs I don't routinely perform.

So I use the 80Hz low-cut and roll off to about 10 o'clock myself, but I will boost the bass on certain songs or for certain singers -- like myself.

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This isn't really due to the low cut, this is more than likely due to inadequately powered systems not being able to produce a full sound. Or the host running it just doesn't have a clue how to adjust a singer.

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That I can believe. Here I am a relative newbie, and sometimes people *gush* about my sound. I haven't heard more than a handful of karaoke setups that I considered to sound as good or better than mine, yours being one of them. Some of them certainly have better equipment, but it rarely sounds as good. Most of that is from what I learned here, at PSW, and at alt.audio.pro.live-sound.

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Guys

Thanks for all the help. I think I need to reconsider not only my mixer but my deck layout. Am thinking of going for either the Yamaha or the USB. The Yamaha has the compression (which I believe to be quite important), and the USB sounds good but would I ever bother?

I want to sort out my cabling a bit more too - I do have a tendancy to over-complicate things.

The Mackie USB mixer is nice since it IS your audio interface. No external needed or awkward cabling connections. The compression buil in on the Yamaha is nice as well - but could be added later as a separate processor on the Mackie. You have to weigh your needs & options needed. Also figure the Mackie isn't even available until around Oct. 10th.

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WOW, that Mackie is a gorgeous mixer and would encompass my needs well...

I like the Yamaha too - but just the lack of sliders (or rather the use of "turners" is a bit of a pain). Then again, I wonder how often I actually use it - hmmm...

Yamaha's competitive unit, the MG124CX, has sliders.

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Am tempted to forego the sliders. I can do the actual crossfading either by using 2 dials, or on laptop.

I am sure you know that you can do two sliders with one hand, but two knobs is nearly impossible.

Also, I don't know if you saw the thread about the MW12CX, which is the Yamaha unit with a USB interface. It would have sliders, and USB, $360US. There is also an MW10C, but that has no effects, $180US.

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Which mixer are you looking at that has dials?? The Mackie 1204 comes to mind. Remember this one has no effects built in so you would need an external processor for the vocals.
If you do dj'ing from computer, you can do all the mixing from the computer & not have to worry about the dial situation.

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D'oh! 100% forgot about that. I currently do this:

1) Set laptop to full volume and compuhost to full volume.
2) Adjust mixer to set the volume wanted in the venue.
3) Upon the end of a compuhost track, fade up Winamp using a Griffin Powermate.

No reason why I should consider changing that, and keeps all the mixing on the laptop.

I don't see vocal or musical digital keychange on the Yamaha EMX512 OR the 124CX. Did I miss it? ( I hope I did. Would be a great mixer if it had the feature.)

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Key change is going to be software based for just about anyone using a laptop. Most KJs are switching over to computer based hosting. Soon I imagine maybe only 10%-15% will be disc based. I can see that going to 1% in a few years. The only mixer I've ever seen that had key change was a Vocopro model. Of course if you're disc based many of the disc players have key change.

WHy would it need it? Most players & software have a key change of some sort built in. That is a feature you'd find on an overpriced 'karaoke' mixer that isn't even real good for that.

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I use keychange in my hosting app (CompuHost). I would have little or no need for it on a hardware mixer.