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kenj30
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First of all, thanks for all the help so far! As soon as I get the laptop I'll be demoing a lot of software it looks like. From what I read the BEHRINGER U-CONTROL UCA202 is exactly what I need to get good audio out from the laptop to my VocoPro system.
Although I do use this at my home, I've had rotations close to an hour before and have been told by quite a few people that we could charge a cover as our karaoke parties were better than a lot of bars out there. I also would consider doing the occassional fill in gig at a bar if that influences any of the suggestions so far.
The regular kj cancelled at the lake marina bar after my sister in law invited a bunch of us up there to sing. The manager let me bring my stuff up and a buddy and I hosted. After the initial jitters of hosting in front of a bar full of strangers things went well with several patrons commenting on how much better the show was than normal and asking when we were coming back! I was told by several that it was as packed as they'd seen the place in a long time. We were probably 15 songs deep at one point so some kind of rotation management would be nice as I am normally drinking while hosting unless I'm getting paid.
I've got about a 2000 song library currently and had one other question. I've read in a couple of posts that the Super Core discs like this http://www.acekaraoke.com/sscrps06eg.html would be great for home use. I haven't compared it to my current library but it looks like a good deal. What about it makes it good for home use versus hosting a gig somewhere?
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Lonman @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:27 pm wrote: DannyG2006 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:50 pm wrote: I don't bother because I don't go by the number anyway. I go by artist name and then title of song. The number means nothing to me. Add to the fact I loaded the database for my show computer differently in order than what I used to create my songlist. Did it before purchase of Compuhost by using the demo to create the database/export file. So the id numbers don't even match with the songs on my show computer untill you get to add ons. When I do my next books there won't even be numbers to go by, which was intended in the first place but didn't happen for some reason as I thought I clicked to hide the nymbers completely.
Every singer is getting the best version available. I only have inferior versions for songs that are not made by any other manufacturer, MOst have multiple versions but I go with the better quality version. But without numbers you would only list 1 version in your book, not all duplicates correct? For the most part yes I only have one version in my list.
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mckyj57 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:56 pm wrote: DannyG2006 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:50 pm wrote: I don't bother because I don't go by the number anyway. I go by artist name and then title of song. The number means nothing to me. Add to the fact I loaded the database for my show computer differently in order than what I used to create my songlist. Did it before purchase of Compuhost by using the demo to create the database/export file. So the id numbers don't even match with the songs on my show computer untill you get to add ons. When I do my next books there won't even be numbers to go by, which was intended in the first place but didn't happen for some reason as I thought I clicked to hide the nymbers completely.
Every singer is getting the best version available. I only have inferior versions for songs that are not made by any other manufacturer, MOst have multiple versions but I go with the better quality version. One of my book sets also lists only song and artist. This makes sense to me, because we aren't wasting paper. We also operate on artist/song, and have multiple versions, and also try to pick the "best". Very few people care, and those that do will usually ask. But we don't make them fill out a number that is meaningless. It also stops the number-only people from doing that. The other book I have, for my smaller personal collection, has multiple versions with manufactuer number. I have removed most Nutech, Backstage, CKC, and SGB songs from the book if I have another version. I still keep them on the disk as I have plenty of room -- and there are a fair number of SGBs I will pick instead of the other versions as they often have better instrumentals than other brands. (I never pick CKC, BS, or Nutech unless it is the only one). As I stated in my post, the numbers in my books weren't supposed to be there but for an unchecked box that hides the number my book would only show the artist name and the song title. My next set of books will have this fixed.
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DannyG2006 @ Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:52 pm wrote: mckyj57 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:56 pm wrote: DannyG2006 @ Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:50 pm wrote: I don't bother because I don't go by the number anyway. I go by artist name and then title of song. The number means nothing to me. Add to the fact I loaded the database for my show computer differently in order than what I used to create my songlist. Did it before purchase of Compuhost by using the demo to create the database/export file. So the id numbers don't even match with the songs on my show computer untill you get to add ons. When I do my next books there won't even be numbers to go by, which was intended in the first place but didn't happen for some reason as I thought I clicked to hide the nymbers completely.
Every singer is getting the best version available. I only have inferior versions for songs that are not made by any other manufacturer, MOst have multiple versions but I go with the better quality version. One of my book sets also lists only song and artist. This makes sense to me, because we aren't wasting paper. We also operate on artist/song, and have multiple versions, and also try to pick the "best". Very few people care, and those that do will usually ask. But we don't make them fill out a number that is meaningless. It also stops the number-only people from doing that. The other book I have, for my smaller personal collection, has multiple versions with manufactuer number. I have removed most Nutech, Backstage, CKC, and SGB songs from the book if I have another version. I still keep them on the disk as I have plenty of room -- and there are a fair number of SGBs I will pick instead of the other versions as they often have better instrumentals than other brands. (I never pick CKC, BS, or Nutech unless it is the only one). As I stated in my post, the numbers in my books weren't supposed to be there but for an unchecked box that hides the number my book would only show the artist name and the song title. My next set of books will have this fixed. I'm pretty much the same way. The inferior brands I have on my system hardly get played unless it is the only version.
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kenj30
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I got mine but haven't had a chance to test it out yet. Can you tell vacation is over? I believe there is a file that you need, not sure if it is a driver or not that once installed gives you no problems using this with Vista. I can't remember if I saw this here, or in the comments on Musician's Friend but I'm sure someone here can help. If I get a chance I'll try and hunt it down for you.
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supremo68
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it's probably the same post I saw at musiciansfriend. But he's saying that even if it is installed (Asio) there'll be a hiss in one of the channels  that's why was trying to see if there are any other similar products for the same purpose, use my laptop as an MP3 player for house music
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I saw several positive comments after asio was installed. This might just be a one off problem this guy had. Depending on the quality of your sound card, you could take your headphone out into a headphone to rca splitter you can get at radio shack for about 6 bucks and see how that works for you. I picked one up after I'd already ordered from Musician's Friend and actually had pretty good sound using Winamp to play the mp3's I'd ripped from my audio cd's. I'm hoping for an even better sound once I get a chance to set this up.
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supremo68 @ Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:35 am wrote: it's probably the same post I saw at musiciansfriend. But he's saying that even if it is installed (Asio) there'll be a hiss in one of the channels that's why was trying to see if there are any other similar products for the same purpose, use my laptop as an MP3 player for house music Cheapest solution is the behringer U_Control 202. I use it and it works great. No drivers needed even in Vista.
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Quote: Cheapest solution is the behringer U_Control 202. I use it and it works great. No drivers needed even in Vista.
I believe that is what he is talking about : http://www.behringer.com/UCA202/index.cfm?lang=ENG
Some Vista systems have an issue with it and need the USB ASIO DRIVER from their website.
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kenj30 @ Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:58 pm wrote: Quote: Cheapest solution is the behringer U_Control 202. I use it and it works great. No drivers needed even in Vista. I believe that is what he is talking about : http://www.behringer.com/UCA202/index.cfm?lang=ENGSome Vista systems have an issue with it and need the USB ASIO DRIVER from their website. Thanks, Ken Mine works fine on vista basic.
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i went to the shops here today and found out that the UCA202 is Singapore$70 each. While checking out the mixers, I saw the Yamaha MW12CX. I compared the features of the MG124CX and the MW12CX and couldn't find much difference except that this product has a USB interface. From what I could understand, I'll be able to input the PC sound (through USB) back to the mixer. Not sure if I got that right, but if I did, then I won't need the UCA202, right?
Anybody has experience with this setup?
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supremo68 @ Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:52 am wrote: i went to the shops here today and found out that the UCA202 is Singapore$70 each. While checking out the mixers, I saw the Yamaha MW12CX. I compared the features of the MG124CX and the MW12CX and couldn't find much difference except that this product has a USB interface. From what I could understand, I'll be able to input the PC sound (through USB) back to the mixer. Not sure if I got that right, but if I did, then I won't need the UCA202, right?
Anybody has experience with this setup?
I just looked at the MW12CX and it indeed looks like the MG124CX with a USB port. I know the MG124CX like the back of my hand and don't see a feature missing.
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what i could see is that the Group Outs are now used as a Rec Out 2. So instead of the 1-2 switch in the MG124CX it becomes the Rec Switch in the MW12CX.
from the manual, I couldn't figure out if the 2TR/USB could be outputted to the main Stereo output. Cause that would defeat the whole purpose for live applications right?
the manual could be found here
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/ ... iv_code=pa
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supremo68 @ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:35 am wrote: what i could see is that the Group Outs are now used as a Rec Out 2. So instead of the 1-2 switch in the MG124CX it becomes the Rec Switch in the MW12CX.
I think that is just a nomenclature change -- the function and layout looks to be identical. You can still route the Group 1/2 to the Stereo out. But no, you picked up on the one real difference -- Rec Out RCAs now come from Group 1/2 instead of pre-fader Stereo. Quote: from the manual, I couldn't figure out if the 2TR/USB could be outputted to the main Stereo output. Cause that would defeat the whole purpose for live applications right?
Do you mean that "if it couldn't, it would defeat the whole purpose for live applications right?". Where it goes is controlled by the "To Stereo/To Monitor" switch by the main fader.
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supremo68 @ Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:35 am wrote: what i could see is that the Group Outs are now used as a Rec Out 2. So instead of the 1-2 switch in the MG124CX it becomes the Rec Switch in the MW12CX. from the manual, I couldn't figure out if the 2TR/USB could be outputted to the main Stereo output. Cause that would defeat the whole purpose for live applications right? the manual could be found here http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/ ... iv_code=paPage 5 of the manual:
Connect To Your Computer via a Single USB
Cable (page 7)
The MW mixer connects to your computer via the supplied
USB cable. Stereo audio data is transferred in both directions—
from the mixer to the computer, and vice-versa—via
the USB connection (44.1 kHz or 48 kHz sampling frequency).
So it looks like this one, like the new Mackie, is going to be a sound interface as well - eliminating the need for the extra USB piece mentioned above. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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so how would I control the volume of USB feed back to the mixer?
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supremo68 @ Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:41 am wrote: so how would I control the volume of USB feed back to the mixer?
Page 19 of the manual
http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi ... _om_b0.pdf
E 2TR IN/USB
• 2TR IN/USB Switch
If this switch is set to TO MONITOR ( ), the signals input
via the 2TR IN jacks and the USB connector are sent to the
MONITOR OUT jacks, the PHONES jack, and the level
meter. If it is set to TO STEREO ( ), the signals are sent to
the STEREO L/R bus.
• 2TR IN/USB control
Adjusts the level of the signal sent from the 2TR IN jacks
and the USB connector to the STEREO L/R bus.
The following illustration shows how the switch settings correspond
to the signal selection.
* : When overdubbing, you can adjust the levels of the monitor
playback signal and the signal being recorded separately. For MONITOR
MIX turn on the REC and ST switches of the corresponding channels.
MONITOR MIX Signal Flow
If the input channel PFL switch is on ( ), then only
the PFL output from that channel is sent to the C-R
OUT jacks, PHONES jacks, and level meter.
This don't explain it well as there is also a diagram that can't copy here. Check the manual! _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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ok, so I guess this would serve the purpose. It's a hundred SG dollar more expensive than the MG124CX but since a UCA202 is already $70, that means I paid $30 more for the software. 
Thanks for the inputs.
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