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Dittos on that ! Thank you London Live for this.. Ron

Just want to point out a big difference, though both Palin and Obama can't brag about experience.....Obama was chosen, after a long, tough race, by the people, in a democratic fashion, while Palin was hand picked, by a man, that new very little about her. Also, my opinion of McCain's experience reminds me of this anology..............."No Credit is better than Bad Credit"....now if that had applied to the economy.....we would never be in this finacial crisis......JMHO

I just want to make clear that I was not comparing Keating to Ayers or Wright. I was making the point that guilt by association goes both ways. McCain was Keating's close friend and associate, which leads me to believe he is either willing to trade in his ethics for power, or he demonstrates very poor judgement.

Same goes for Obama. I don't think there is any difference here.

Charles Keating swindled his investors while he contributed heavily to John McCain's campaigns. I'd hardly call him a choir boy. Neither would his victims.

Both McCain and Obama are equally guilty of poor judgment.

And it's a well known fact that when McCain was questioned by reporters about his association with Keating he would blow a fuse, curse at them and lash out in indignation refusing to answer. McCain is a hothead, that's a fact. I don't think that's a quality I'd want in our leader. Now he is pointing a finger at Obama to answer questions about his association with someone from his past. That's a little ironic.

I think it's going to get really difficult for anyone to qualify to run for President if people continue to scrutinize every person a candidate associated with in the past. Unless we know for a fact that the candidate took part in an illegal act, it's moot.

I'm not crazy about the fact that Obama has been in the Senate for a short time, but he has a very impressive academic record. McCain was always at the bottom of his class.

I guess my opinion here is not a very popular one, but it is just that, MY OPINION. I'm glad to live in a country where I'm allowed to have one. Believe me, it's not popular in my town or household either. I was raised in a republican household and I live in the Bible belt of RightWingville. I haven't declared a side yet, (and probably won't) because I have leanings in both directions.

I'm mainly concerned with the issues and where each candidate stands. Not on who they know or knew....unless there was substantial evidence that the association lead to illegal activity.

I would like to see many things in Washington change in the next administration, but perhaps that's just wishful thinking.

Peace and love to all.

Sheree - I like hearing your view. Especially since I don't have a lot of postives in my mind for Obama. I want to hear both sides of what people are thinking.



I don't believe that either. I've heard things from both sides that sound like a stretch for me.

I think the mud slinging goes both ways. This run for office actually seems tamer than previous yrs to me. I've seen both sides try to restrain from this tactic. Unlike Hillary. I think they are under a lot of pressure to get dirty. I've actually heard both of them at times go out of their way to steer clear from it. It has been proven in the past to work unfortuantely. McCain stated he wanted to be elected on his record, but that is hard to do when mud slingly confuses what he's done. Obama stated several times when trying to avoid Hillary attacks he didn't want to run that way. But remember Hillary is the one who did most of the under handed attacks like the ones you stated.

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Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis. There, he was a friend and informal leader for many of his classmates, and sometimes stood up for targets of bullying.He also became a lightweight boxer. McCain came into conflict with higher-ranking personnel, he did not always obey the rules, and that contributed to a low class rank (894 of 899), despite a high IQ.He did well in academic subjects that interested him, such as literature and history, but studied only enough to pass subjects he struggled with, such as mathematics. McCain graduated in 1958.

It would be important to state these low scores were the result of disputes between himself and his higher ups. Although I don't know the specifics of it, the score does not really reflect his true abilities. They don't let morons fly combat fighter jets. He has an IQ of 133.

First let me clarify that I am not a supporter of neither John McCain nor Barrack Obama. I will be voting third party. Now. I would point out a major difference between those two campaigns, Obama is making use of the political 527 groups who in turn do not answer to Obama or to anyone else for what they say and do. So in this way the Democrat run 527's can attack McCain all the while Obama can turn out his palms and say semi-truthfully that he has nothing to do with those groups which has an (small) element of truth to it.

John McCain on the other early in the campaign gave marching orders to the Republican run 527 organizations that he would not tolerate any kinds of attacks against Obama on his behalf which a many Republican base voter strongly disagreed with. As for as what McCain is saying about Obama and his ties to all those apparent unsavory people are matters of verifiable public records. Big difference here.

527 organizations are under no rule or requirement to tell the truth about anything they say or publish and often say things that can not be substantiated and they know it. They know that if they just put out enough rhetoric, true or not not one will have time to check on and report the truthfulness of their rhetoric.

Now. As for as who I am voting for, well I'm not saying. What I will say is that neither McCain nor Obama has even a clue about how to go about addressing the financial collapse of our financial institutions and how it affects the nation and world and are in my opinion poorly qualified to run for the office they are seeking. Rarely do Senators get elected to be the POTUS as they usually historically are a major part of the problem and not part of the answer as their actions led up to the problems they are claiming to want to solve. That's why you hear and see so much mudslinging and this election is so typical. Just blow enough smoke and make enough noise and those who are begging for hard and precise answers are being drowned out by all the hoop and holler by both campaigns.

I never said he was a "moron"! Good grief! I apologize to any morons out there who took it that way!

Sorry. Just trying to inject a little light-hearted humor.

He was however the son of a four-star Navy admiral. I'd venture a guess that that fact got some doors opened that otherwise would have been slammed shut.

Everyone has a different perception and opinion. Nobody is going to change anybody's mind if their mind is set. To any who are undecided I say go and look at their records. Try to avoid making a judgment based on the TV ads or biased news stations. ~Sorry if I'm repeating what somebody else already said.

Hi Babs! I agree, the mudslinging goes both ways. Maybe it's because I watch Fox News too much, but I see a LOT more coming from the McCain/Palin camp. The McCain crowd is starting to get whipped into a frenzy. One person shouted "KILL HIM!" (Obama) Another shouted "TERRORIST!" Is this healthy? It's scary and dangerous if ya ask me.


I will say however, that I was happy to see McCain tell one woman today that she had nothing to fear from Obama. "He's a good family man." Perhaps all this "terrorist" muck is getting to him as well. Good for him!

Hi NewSinger, nice to meet you. I do agree, neither party has a clue how to address this economic crisis! I think we are in new territory and there is no history to learn from in this case. We are in a big mess.

SHEREE FOR PRESIDENT !!!
or at least head cheerleader (no pun intended )

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Only if you'll be my running mate. No pun there either.

I saw that. The woman called him an Arab. Where did that come from? She must only listen to the radio and not have seen a TV newscast. ARAB!!! WTF!

....typical McCain supporter.......now as for Rev Wright his preaching style is very typical in many black congregations. Are some white people surprised, this is the way it's been for years, and for good reasons. It's about time we learned, how most blacks feel. Let's get it out in the open, discuss their feelings(many which have been passed down from generation to generation), and deal with them, and heal them with them, and I don't mean reparations. Obama is a very different blackman, than is Jessie Jackson Sr.. ....not to mention.....Obama, top of his class(much tougher school), McCain 394 of 397......Palin?.....I don't even see her academic credentials out there......she gets an A in power hungriness, and Vindictiveness though...

When I was young, my mom raised us in a predominatly black church in Wash D.C., and I have been to other black churches as well. At no time do I ever remember anything racist, or even anything along those lines. It just wasn't like that.

So while on that topic, there is one thing that I can't get past with Obama. I know that whether you attend the church of satan, or the church of Christ, or anything in between there is one common truth that would apply to any, and all. And that is, if you do not agree with the doctrine, or pastors teachings of your church, you move on untill you find a church that you are comfortable with, and agree with what is being taught/preached every week.

So where does that leave Obama? He has been a member of that church, and a close friend of Wrights for 20 years. He has never left that church, or spoke out until media attention got so bad that he had no choice. He sat there all those years while Wright spewed forth vile, angry, racist, bigoted rants, and went along with the program the whole time. Now that he's washed his hands of it all, I'm supposed to believe that none of those teachings/rants of the past 20 years affected him, or became instilled in him...yeah Wright!

This is not a religous point of view, as what I just wrote is a basic principle that applys to all faiths, imho. Just seemed like a good time to put my 2 cents in.
Ron........

I grew up, hung out, and went to mixed schools with blacks. I had a few that I thought were close friends, except when we were with blacks, and I was the only white guy. Just like white guys, they act and talk different when with only their own color. Kid yourself, and think that race relations are good, I for one, know they are not. I'm confident that Obama will be our next president, and it will be a step in the right direction as far as race relations go, though many blacks aren't going to be happy with his some of his decisions......I think Palin will be nohing more than a metaphor for certain jokes a year from now....don't get me wrong....I'd do her in a heart beat.....but she'd have to shave that mustache first.........

I'm not really into following Up with the whole politics thing, not to say I'm not concerned how our government is gonna work in the future. Knowing we need a change, I wish I could believe a politician & know that their intentions are honest & sincere. The only thing I really know bout Sarah is she looks like Tina Fey fron SNL

I didn't know who Tina Fey was until 2 days ago when there was an article on the front page of the paper talking about how funny/popular she is doing Sarah. Surely did wonders for her career lately. Back in the day, when we would smoke certain things, SNL was a must watch, along with Miami Vice, of course.

What kinda things did you smoke back in the day Ron?

When I first saw the Tina Fey impersonation of Sarah Palin, I thought that SNL must surely be exaggerating the entire dialog of the skit. Then I finally saw the actual Katie Couric interview segment. It's shocking to realize there wasn't much SNL exaggeration in Palin's train of thought (or lack of) at all. Here's the skit followed by the real deal.

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Thanks for that Odie, I will check it out after I can close some of the windows on my computer. I could use a good laught today, but l still feel that public speaking isnt the the tell all indicator of qualification for VP. Of course, I could very well be wrong on that, but just mho.

help me here... convince me that obama is not a sleeper