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I have seen in other threads that mackie and yamaha now have powered mixers with dual effects onboard. Ive looked , but dont see a non powered version. some of you know the lines much better than I so I thought hopefully somebody could confirm or deny. I have looked at and thought about the Non powered yamaha that has only one effect but adjustable compresion. Anyone know if either company has one in the works?

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I don't know about Mackie or Yamaha, but I use a Peavey 16FX, which has dual effect processors. The board is amazing, best I ever owned. It has built in Feedback Ferret, Graphic/Parametric EQ, Delay and Limiter.

I used Yamaha and Mackie before, but this Mixer just tops all of them.

Here's a link to the Peavey website:

http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.c ... 91/16FX(TM).cfm

If you watch ebay, you can sometimes find it for around $650 brand new.

Can I ask why you would want dual effects for karaoke? For a band, sure -- you will want some instruments to have different verbs. But for karaoke, you typically only run effects on the vocals and it would be rare to put different effects for duets.

I am a big fan of compression for karaoke. Though the problem is that I have become spoiled by my own gear -- I go out and find cheap mics and no compression and I don't enjoy singing into it nearly as much. Certain songs I don't even want to try.

(Though the lack of compression is not nearly as bad as singing into cheap plastic wireless mics with foam windcovers on the end. If I find that setup nowadays, and have not come miles and miles to get there, I just walk out.)

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I use a couple different effect on vocals, usually a reverb & timed delay, sometimes trailing the delay into the reverb for an added effect. O using a chorus with a delay or reverb. Depends on the song.

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I was thinking I would like to have reverb or chorus and delay to use in combinations. Yes you can make presets for some efects units but that really is not the same as setting up both on there own sends for each channel.It works fine to pre make these combo effects for bands cause its all one singer but seperate sends would be better for karaoke. I liked the idea of that powered yamaha with compresion on each chanel also, but I would prefer to run to the amp I already have.

Mickey , I have done sound for bands, so I do know what I want in sound.I got pretty excited when I saw the dual efx boards. Mixing karaoke has actually made me a much better sound guy. every singer is different so its kinda like a new band every song. the dual efx would be more like what I normaly use for band vocals.

Sevarin, Im curious what amp you use? I know we have the same speakers. knowing you to use quality stuff I will look into the peavey amp. Im pretty gun shy about peavey. Its dependable, but was never known for sounding verry good. it definately ranks above Beringer IMO. at least the peavey stuff always works.

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I understand that part, but it isn't something I am aware you can do with two FX units in a mixer. You could apply both to the vocal signal, but you can't chain them that I know of.

Unless you mean that you just route the vocal to both units and feed them both back into the main. That you can certainly do. I didn't know that was generally useful -- I learn every day.

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Not sure about being able to chain them on the dual effects model, but unless you are trying to blend an effect for different effect, most of the time you would use them straight up. I use outboards and run the returns into channels so it can be chained either way or not at all. Not sure how the inboards work in that respect.

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What speakers are you running now?

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I only run EV speakers. My good system has the SX500s my smaller system has EV single 15s but they are the older ones with only 250 or 300w max rating and attenuation on the horn (im really liking that).

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What model speaker for the smaller system? Alot of the older speakers were rated differently before there was any kind of 'standard' & probably can handle a whole lot more than listed. Even Peavey cabs for example. I have a set of older SP3 cabinets that are written they can handle 100 watts, 300 peak. Well the drivers in them are identical to the drivers in some of the later models that handle 1000 watts program. I have pushed 750 watts into them without a problem & they actually still sound great, just big & bulky.

The SX500 should be using an amp pushing 800 watts per channel into 8 ohms.

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Right now I'm using the QSC PLX2-3602. Almost a perfect match for the EV SX500. It pushes 775 Watts per Channel on 8 Ohm.

And with the Peavey Mixer. I understand where you coming from, but this mixer is the bomb. You can't get a better bang for your buck in this price and mixer class. Plus it does exactly what you're asking for and then some.

I can't comment one way or the other on that particular model of Peavey as I've never used one. I will comment on Peavey in general as I have used several different Peavey mixers over the years Including the SRC6032 which was billed as their flagship board a few years ago. In my opinion Peavey makes a very solid product, very reliable, but maybe not as sonically pleasing as some others out there. I noticed a huge difference in clarity, control and headroom when I retired the SRC and started using an Allen & Heath. A mixer is only as good as the preamps and EQ's allow. I would think a music store would allow you to check out a mixer on approval, I know I can around these parts. I would try as many as possible and see what works and sounds best for you. I certainly wouldn't let the internal FX be the deciding factor for buying a mixer as most are marginal at best. I'm not saying don't buy the 16FX, but perhaps compare it to the Yamaha MG boards or maybe an Allen Heath ZED12FX (not sure how many channels your looking for), Soundcraft also makes some smaller format mixers with nice preamps. For me, a sweepable EQ is a must have on any mixer. Your system can only be as good as your weakest link, I see you care enough to be using very good speakers, don't limit them with your mixer. Good luck on your quest.

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lonman, they are model SH-1502 . Im pretty sure they do have the same drivers as the SX-500. but the crossovers may not be as good in the older models. I think that was why older models were rated lower. I have run the 1502s off of my QSC RMX2450 and pushed them till they almost cliped. they handle the power, but really did not get any louder than when I run them off of my Mackie 406M (250 side @4ohms). one thing I LOVE about EV is that they don't get muddy when under powered. if I tryed to run 300 watt peaveys off of the little mackie it would sound like bung.

Londonlive, I agree about the sound quality of peavey, But i am willing to give one a try. I think I can get a demo model from my local store if they have one in stock at any of there stores. I do really like the idea of on board effects, but could buy a couple good external units and a nice analog board with 2 sends if I can not get what I want. I do already have an alesis studio32, it seemed to have good preamps, but I have only used it in band practice, and one show. My ears have progressed a lot since then. I may give that a try, untill what I really want comes on the market

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