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That has certainly been my take on it, perhaps for obvious reasons. That apparently were correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

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i think that video is shocking. sad that there are those who choose by race alone. I wonder if the same setup were posed to some Ozark redneck racists about Mccain's stance on pro choice, troop withdrawel and his running mate Biden, if it would yield the same results. I would venture to say there are as many uneducated racially motivated whites voting for Mccain as there are uneducated racially motivated blacks voting for Obama. Id call that a wash...oh well as an EDUCATED voter, i will be voting for Obama

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This Howard Stearn segment from You Tube is the same thing that Babs pointed out in her "Extremely Interesting" thread yesterday. It is interesting how unaware people are of Obama's stance on the issues.

I always thought it was odd that the media was so concerned that whites wouldn't vote for Obama because of race. I was pretty sure it was going to be the other way around as far as the blacks voting for him because he was black. I'm not saying they all will, but it certainly looks like there is going to be some less than informed people voting. To me that is very sad. I take a lot of time researching issues and reviewing the voting history on the candidates. All that time spent just to find out some bozo just cancelled my vote out for no other reason other than he or she was the right color. I don't have a lot of hope for the future of this country.

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I thought I was remembering correctly. ha,ha Back in October, '07 at the peak of Hillary Clinton's popularity she had much more of the black vote than Obama did. Here's a bit from a CNN.com article:

Oct. 17, 2007
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton's lead over Sen. Barack Obama, her chief rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is growing among African-American voters who are registered Democrats, and particularly among black women, a poll said Wednesday. Sen. Hillary Clinton is the top choice of African-American Democrats, a new poll suggests. Among black registered Democrats overall, Clinton had a 57 percent to 33 percent lead over Obama."

So Obama didn't really start getting a majority of the black vote until he began to overtake Clinton. The black vote wasn't naturally all going to Obama from the start.

well you can look at it your way if you want to. I think its just a different way of a voting trend thats always existed but rather than republican and democrat, it has taken on a black and white tone this year for many. Sometimes its been old versus young (Clinton/ Dole) It almost was male versus female this year. Lets face it, its nothing but a popularity contest either way. So blaming someone for "stealing" your vote I cant get behind. Perhaps you are stealing theirs. I do concede that you seem like a well educated voter though so good luck to your candidate. I feel in the end that our president has become nothing more than a headpiece for a much bloated government that runs itself despite its commander in chief.

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you know whats weird is i got some black friends who dont like Obama cause they say he is too "vanilla" to be the first black president...if you think about it, it seems he has been very careful not to mention any racial issues..

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There is and will always be some less than informed people voting. Most of us vote on emotion. We identify with the candidate or their cause in some way... many women were pulling for Hillary simply because she is a woman. Good or bad, we are all equal and we all have the right to vote.

Have you ever watched Jay Leno's 'Man on the Street'? There are a lot of uneducated people walking around out there.

As far as the media being concerned with whites not voting for Obama, the only story I've seen covering that topic is a concern for something they call 'The Bradley Effect'....named after former Mayer Bradley of Los Angeles who ran for Governor of California in 1982. He was significantly ahead in the polls, but when it came time to actually vote, they speculate that many whites, in the privacy of the voting booth, were not quite ready to place a vote for a black man. They say that this will not be as big a factor in this election.

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You betcha!

I don't doubt that for a minute Odie, but I think that perhaps the people being polled then were probably fairly well educated and informed. We seem to have a whole new group we're dealing with now, it kind of gives me the impression of a cattle drive, " pssst cmer sir, let me hold that bottle for you and you sign your name here". On the brighter side I guess its highly unlikely they will actually take the time to vote as that would require standing in line and take up a good deal of their time unless of course they are in one of those states that allow early voting. I also Agree with you DD in the aspect that I really do think it is becoming an age thing. I wonder where the expression "old and wise" came from. I know even at my age I learn something every day. You brought up Dole, I thought that interesting as I remember asking a friend back then why they weren't going to vote for Dole, the answer was, "he's to old". Interesting but not a valid reason to select a leader in my mind. Anyway, I don't know about you guys, but neither of these two were my choice, it's to bad voters don't take closer looks at the independents. Once the media picks the worthy candidates and deems the others are not worthy, you never hear anything from them again. Isn't it odd that our two candidates were plucked from a Senate that has the lowest approval rating ever. Oh well, good luck to all, I think we are going to need it.

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Speaking of the independents, if you want to really get your gears turning, when you get some time go over to You Tube and dig up the Ross Perot and Al Gore debates, or any debate Perot was involved in. Very few people believed what Perot had to say, but looking back in retrospect, he was right on the money, and all the time Gore, the professional politician, is telling us how good Nafta will be for us. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have record unemployment if more people had taken Perot seriously. Remember what he said "that sucking sound you hear is your jobs leaving the country". Well here we are and I still hear that sucking sound. So remember, who ever is elected, they are still a profesional politician, so don't count on all that "change" we've been hearing about. Peace.

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You know, I didn't want to be the first to bring that up;) There are some very extreme racists here. Matter of fact, I just had a discussion with Odie about it. (in private) Racist here, of the extreme variety, are not necessarily your backwoods bubba's and uneducated Arkies. You have politicians, doctors, judges, lawyers, professors.... who lead racist groups, and would do anything in their power to keep a "colored person" from leading the country. And that's what's scary, they are powerful people. It wont be Joe the Plumber trying to do it.

It's sad, and it's discusting, but it's true. If elected, I do think in no time at all we'll hear of attempts made against him. I don't believe other blacks should vote for him "because" he's black, but I certainly don't agree with those who'll vote against him for that fact alone. It should be irrelevant to the election. I don't even get how Americans can HAVE racism. Hell, America is a blend of the natives (indian) that were here first, and the many immigrants that came here, heck I am choctaw indian from great grandma/Irish from great grandpa/ dutch from the other g-gramma, Lol... to be a "true American", you're mixed blood... plain and simple. Yet we're the biggest racist nation, I believe, of them all.




Me neither g/f, and I've been doing my daymdest to stay out of it. ^hi five^

*sneakin' on back to my bowl a' popcorn, i do love reading you all's views*

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I think that's on a lot of people's minds. The very reason Colin Powell didn't run for office was that his wife feared he'd be assassinated. When Michelle Obama was asked the question "Do you fear your husband will be shot if elected?" she answered, "As a black man, Barack could be shot at the corner gas station."

Yeah, I've heard quite a few people say the same... it just seems like most are saying it behind closed doors for some reason.

Personally, Michelle's statement sounds a bit extreme. But then again, I don't live where they do. We honestly don't have much of a black population really close to where I live. (maybe in the bigger cities, but in my town... maybe 2-3 families?... we're a pretty small town) Lots of hispanics, lots of Asian,lots of Russian but not so much blacks- and you don't see racism of that sort on the news here, it's a farming community and everyone seems to blend. I did see a lot of segregation still happening in southeastern Texas when I lived there a decade or so ago.... so perhaps there are places it's tougher on blacks on a daily basis.

Well, god be with him if he's elected. But I do know there are many radical racists in our country- the kind who could maybe live and work with, but wouldn't like the idea of a black pres.

I'll just be glad when someone new steps up to the plate.. and hoping some desperately needed changes happen soon.

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Wow...... did I just contradict...... myself?

Lol

I'll come back and look over that tomorrow when I'm not so sleepy:)

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made pretty good sense to me.
I have always found there to be good and bad in every race, but I was dealt the race card at work because I went ballistic at our food and beverage manager who is from India. I went made cos he shifted my p.a equipment without asking and he didnt shift it all to the same place. I would have gone mad at anyone touching my gear without my knowledge...I stayed mad becos of his attitude "do you realise who you are talking to" that is his stock and trade response to anyone who dares question him...and I still loathe the prat because he never apologised. But becos of this I am deemed racist...to my mind I would have been racist if I had decided not to air my opinion of him and his actions BECAUSE of who and where he was from

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I miss Ross Perot. People spent too much time making fun of his big ears and not enough time listening to him with their little ears. I was watching greenspan on CSpan last night and i thought , rather than voting on these "stoic" hero types we have now, why have we never elected a funny little man like him that has an economic brain the size of Cleveland. Im sure our real candidates are out there somewhere, unfortunately they just dont have the "it" factor that can get them elected. We had a saying back in my days of being in numerous hair bands that people listen with their eyes..obviously in an age of Palin, and Obamas that rings true with politics as well.

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funny stuff

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Delivered speech in a bright orange pantsuit

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Kept saying to John Kerry, "Hey, why the long face?" -- it's funny every time!

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Performed hilarious ventriloquist act with Dennis Kucinich on his lap

Promised to make Pluto a state

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Also pronounces "nuclear," "nucular"

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Sheree, etal:

If you tell someone, who had never read a single post on this thread, that the thread was started to attack Obama, any reasonable person accepting your statement as being accurate would assume that the person who started the thread did so to attack Obama. Sorry, but that's how our semantics work.

If my rationale is incorrect, then everytime the NY Times prints an article on racism with examples of bigoted acts, you could accuse them of printing their newpaper for the purpose of promoting racism, rather than reporting the news!

And, coincidentally, I believe Babs was sharing some "news" and looking for opinions of the "news" from other.

Lastly, I still maintain that if you assert that Babs' intentions and/or remarks were not an attack on Obama, you have no justification for stating the purpose of her thread was to attack Obama. The incongruity between those two possibilities cannot be bridged by simple asserting that it has been (bridged)!