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[font=Fantasy]Gemini Karaoke will be hosting Salina Idol 2009 this year @ Sunset Billiards the biggest change for this contest is that all selection must be songs from 2008. Im getting tired of hear all the old stuff and it seems noone trys to learn anything new..it drives me crazy... anyway it will force poeple to learn something new...[/font]


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Please change the font so as to make this post more readable or this thread be vaulted ....edit:... Jian

I wonder at times if you know who the karaoke is TRULY for, Mr. Sears?

If it makes THEM happy, what's the stress?

Zero contests here, but nice advertisement.

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zero, zip, nada contests

I HATE contests because is discourages newbies and the not so great singers. It also ends up being a popularity contest and the best singer doesn't always (rarely?) wins.
At the end of the contest guess who gets to hear all the complaints?

no contests here....

In many places where I have seen them they felt very subjective.

How do you compare a well done AC/DC song to a well done Frank Sinatra or Bjork?

The main point of MY show is that I do not want to impose my musical taste on the singers.

We used to run contests all the time but I am getting the owner to realize they are very bad for lobg term business. Sure they bring people in for the nights of & the finals are huge. But after that finals, everyone that didn't win felt like it was rigged & quits coming in. The winners are generally not regulars but regular contest hoppers & you'll never see them again until the next contest.
Bad for business all around, but if that's what your singers want, you would know better than everyone else. Although forcing everyone to do something from 08 may be a huge backfire since much of todays music is not worth singing, people have their comfort zones and sometimes hard to get them to stray.

BTW your post is VERY DIFFICULT to read with that font!

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NONE!

I think that contests could be run fairly but only if a singer has not won in the last 6-8 months before. That would still keep the people coming knowing that they might have a chance. The previous winners could still sing just not win.

Lone Wolf

I have to disagree with lonmans comment about todays music.....there is alot of stuff out there that can show off you vocal ability..the problem with most contest is that the aud response is a part of the judgeing...not here only the judge choice counts ..and vocal ability is the only thing judge.
Vocal ability: Tone Color , Focus, Placement, breath support..ect

Judging for the vocal is too technical. Who other than professional vocal teachers are qualified to critique every little nuance like that - I know I wouldn't have a clue & would question any judge who claimed they did which would make the contest appear rigged again? This is what gives the contests a bad rap, people just want to sing. They are there to have fun. Simplify the judging, don't over critique the singers. I agree with the no audience response, I haven't used that as a judging criteria in 14 years. But the judging doesn't have to get ridiculously over complicated again as most are not going to know how to judge that & are just going to go by either songs they personally like, people they personally like, or what they think sounds good & WILL make the judges sheet reflect this. I have run SEVERAL (more than i'd like to count) contests over the years & this is pretty much the case in all of them. Just get judges that at least are in the music industry in some manner. Vocal judging, if you want it more complicated than most, just go with the basics, pitch, timing, tone. Even that is too much IMO.

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I've competed in a few contests. What Lonman says is true. The contest hoppers show up and when and if they win, they never come back for normal karaoke. The ones that show are semi-pro, perform in bands, or are in theater. Hardly fair for the normal bar karaoke rat. I also don't get the 2008 only rule. I'm 54 and the newest song I can do is Tal Bachmann's She's So High. Nothing newer really impresses me unless it's newer rockabilly, and those titles you won't see on a karaoke menu. I hope yours works, though. Let us know when it happens and how it turned out. Oh, and before you think I am just having sour grapes because I didn't win...wrong bucko, I won a couple and had the hoppers really POed at the contest because they thought they were ALL THAT. Had one just shove his and other's drink glasses off the bar and storm out.

I'm so glad to hear audience response has been taken out of the equation. Two thumbs up for that.

Contests - I'm still hearing about last yrs costume contest for Halloween. I told the owner I didn't want anything to do with the judging. I was thrilled not to be a part of it. It was done by applause. People complained a store bought costume shouldn't have won. Some complained it should have been a regular who won. Some complained their costume was better. The person who won complained it was a gift certificate to the bar for $100. I just smile and say they should say something to the owner because I had nothing to do with it.

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I am COMPLETELY with the ones that said store bought costumes shouldn't win. Anyone can buy a costume & put it on. Give credit to those who put some creativity & effort into making a costume!

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Needed to include 0 for a number. I HATE contests. It brings out the worst in people and most of the people that attend the contests here don't support the bar, at all. (water drinkers) They are usually divas and jerks. I refuse to host contests for any amount of money. Just my personal opinion.

I was "forced" to run a contest every Thurs. for over a year. I absolutely hated it, and so did many of the people who just wanted to sing, without any pressure. It took a very long time for me to convince the bar owner that contests were a negative. I finally told her I wasn't going to be a part of it anymore, and that she needed to hire her own judges, make her own rules, and run the contest while I was busy running the karaoke. She wasn't about to do THAT, so the contests ended and business has been good and consistent ever since .


Every so often, though, she brings up the idea again. I just give her this look , and she says, "Never mind".

TTTOOOOO Technical...no offense but you got to be kidding...singing is Technical..Im sorry but being a vocal major in college ..i would rather see someone win on tech then anything else..to many people win for aud resopnse which by the way is******** to say it simply. as a DJ I also see it as my job to try to help those who i can become better singers..sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt..but if we dont challenge the singers they are never going to grow. Over the last few years Ive seen several fair singer become pretty good...

Absolutely 0. A true venue killer- have seen it time and time again. I wish I could find my treatise on it, but as you can see by the majority of posts....

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Contest singers never buy drinks.. Why would an owner want that?

I'm just sayin'

Re-posted from an old thread- I hope you find it helpful....



I'm gonna be the fly in the ointment and issue a caveat: I have seen at least four venues completely lose/close out karaoke due to contests. I tell owners up front that I will NEVER do one. Here's my reasoning, all from past experience:

1) 99% of new customers will return to their regular venue after the contest, unless you are EXCEPTIONAL, and if you are, you probably still won't have the opportunity to showcase during the contest.


2) Newbies walking into the bar will be too nervous to try singing around all that talent, and these ARE possible new regulars


3) Regulars not entered in the contest will get upset about the lack of air time for them, forcing them to look for a different venue.


4) Judging: No one will be convinced it's fair. Applause? Singers will load the place with their friends if they can. Impartial judges? If they're anywhere near local they will know at least some of the singers, and the singers will know that, and never believe they are impartial.


5) You get to deal with all of the egos and whining for no extra pay. Then, the sore losers, who may have been regulars at your shows at OTHER venues, disappear both from the contest venues and your others. It has been my experience that most bars AND HOSTS lose much more than they gain with contests....AND the host ALWAYS gets most of the blame/bad feelings..

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I just tell them to get over it. I do remeber a few yrs back I had a singer complain about the out come and I told them that it was the judges choice and that is that and if I heard anything else about from them since it was over they could go find another place to sing...needless to say that was that and I didnt hear another word