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Spoken like a TRULY class act, Sheree!

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Unfortunately I'm not too surprised. Skinhead kids playing too many video games, operating on one cylinder for a brain and listening to who knows what moronic, gibberish rhetoric. It's a sad state of affairs. Other than that, I'm sure they're swell kids!


On the news they said Obama wasn't the top of their list. These guys were looking to get caught and get attention. They wanted to behead 12 African Americans while wearing white tuxedos and top hats. :o That screams of notice me.

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Great! Now the sales of white tuxedos will go down the crapper.


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Teamsters for Obama!

Jobs are vanishing in the USA at the fastest pace in years, and the unprecedented $700 billion bailout of Wall Street has left many on Main Street without help. The bailout fails to allow bankruptcy judges latitude in keeping people in their homes or address concerns about pension security---provisions the Teamsters called for.
Granted, as union members working under Teamsters contracts, we have done better than most middle-class workers. But the Bush administration's war on working men and women has affected all of us.
That is why I am asking you to talk to your Teamster brothers and sisters, your family and friends about Barack Obama and how his plan for the economy actually takes the middle-class and working families into consideration----while McCain's plan continues to favor the wealthy and big business.
This is the same McCain who's been hostile to American workers for the last 26 years. John McCain may be a war hero, but he's no hero to today's working men and women. Just look at his record.

[ McCain's Record ]

He voted to cut overtime. He voted against the Employee Free Choice Act. He voted against extending unemployment benefits. He voted to allow unsafe Mexican trucks on our highways. He voted to kill the minimum wage----19 times. He supports NAFTA, CAFTA and sending American jobs overseas. He even crossed a strike line in January to appear on "The Tonight Show".
It was even more unbelievable to hear him say he's going to "put an end to the reckless conduct, corruption and unbridled greed that has caused a crisis on Wall Street". McCain and his pals were the ones responsible for the reckless conduct on Wall Street. In 1999, McCain voted for a bill to get rid of safeguards against reckless speculation by banks. That bill became law. It was sponsored by his good friend and top economic adviser, Phil Gramm----the man who said America is a "nation of whiners" facing a "mental recession".
McCain is right when he says we're the victims of greedy Wall Street speculators. Trouble is, McCain's been fighting on their side since he got to Washington.
On November 4th, remember to vote. And make sure you vote for the candidate who voted for you.

[quoted from the November/December 2008 issue of Teamster magazine]

Now, as far as I'm concerned, all politicians can kiss my a$$. I don't know who to vote for....it's all too confusing.
And I haven't always been a Union Worker either, so I have no knowledge as to how it really operates, I only know what I've read so far.
I do know that someone in office has given employers the right to hire cheap labor from Mexico....illegals I'm hearing from many.
States that have a "Right To Work" law, meaning an employer can dismiss you, the employee for any reason they deem justified.....actually for no reason if they want to.
That's what happened to me after dedicating myself to a company for over 10 years.
I learned, don't speak your mind on an important issue if you don't have outside representation to back you up.....I was canned.
Well now, I suppose I have representation, and a cheap family healthcare plan, so I couldn't be happier..........until the company decides to go out of business. :newlol:


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The Teamsters. Well there's an upstanding organization if I've ever heard of one. Unions are long passe. To prove this I give you the auto union. Why are the Big 3 going into the dumpsters? The UAW. They have priced themselves out of jobs and blaming everyone else. Unions at one point were very importnat to the working person. Now they are just another politcal party with their hands in members' pockets.

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RARELY do I agree with the Timster...

Today, I do!! Completely!

And I grew up in a house that the main bread earner was union. But even HE admits the times for the unions has passed!


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Are you tired of busting your arse and watching people buying groceries with food stamps? If you elect obama it will only get worse. I would rather vote for an imperfect republican than a perfect socialist.

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The more I read, the more afraid I am of what will happen to this country if he is elected! People are being suckered by a very slick, well oiled politician who has seemingly got a hidden agenda that could mean the destruction of this country. Whether that is true or not, I am just not willing to take a chance on him. His past is way too questionable. McCain is not perfect, but he does seem to be the lesser of all evils.


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Did any one watch Obama's informercial? I had to work last night, so I missed it.
The only thing I've read on it so far is the front page of Yahoo for the news. It basically stated he stretched the truth quite a bit and disected what was said.

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Like any politician, he didn't state HOW he was going to do the things he's planning. Both Obama's and McCain's tax plans will SERIOUSLY increase our deficeit.

And I have SERIOUS problems with a guy that can spend THAT kind of money (prime time on SEVEN channels for 30 MINUTES!), in order to get a $400,000 job and a retirement package!

I watched it. Funny thing is Ruthie bought everything he said. At least she looked at most of his points with an opened mind, but she's QUICK to jump all over McCain's talk.

I just sit back and smile... Either way, if this is the best we can do for our country, we're in a big ol' stinky sh*t pile!!


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Babs, there is so much controversy surrounding Obama's life, religion, beliefs, and political platform, that I am too afraid to take a chance. We must guard this country and do all we can to first of all, maintain our freedom as a nation. I fear his ties to the mid-east and their governments. I studied mid-east politics very deeply. I sat under and Iranian professor who taught a class of 600 students all about what makes the muslim tick as well as what motivates the mindset of their governments. When you hear it from one of their own, it makes a difference. I would not vote for Obama for any reason. That is just me! We all have our right to choice.


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I found the video on line and watched it. I thought he presented himself well, very presidential. I didn't hear anything that would change my mind who I am voting for, but found myself almost in tears at points. He definately went for the heart strings. I didn't care for the ad McCain decided to run after. I wish he would have did a positive spin on himself instead of a negative one on Obama. But I suppose with such little time he didn't have a choice.

I mainly have a problem with how our system is set up for running for president. How can it be fair that one canidate gets a 30 minute informercial and the other only gets a few seconds. I hate that they are funded by independent sources. It isn't us little people who make the difference in how much money a canidate has to run. It's big corps, celebrities etc...

I'd like to see the whole process revamped. There has to be way we can hear from both canidates equally without it coming from private donations. I'd like to see all ads on tv eliminated and replaced with debates or speeches.

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The Teamsters. Well there's an upstanding organization if I've ever heard of one. Unions are long passe. To prove this I give you the auto union. Why are the Big 3 going into the dumpsters? The UAW. They have priced themselves out of jobs and blaming everyone else. Unions at one point were very importnat to the working person. Now they are just another politcal party with their hands in members' pockets.


Now, as far as I'm concerned, all politicians can kiss my a$$. I don't know who to vote for....it's all too confusing.
And I haven't always been a Union Worker either, so I have no knowledge as to how it really operates, I only know what I've read so far.
I do know that someone in office has given employers the right to hire cheap labor from Mexico....illegals I'm hearing from many.
States that have a "Right To Work" law, meaning an employer can dismiss you, the employee for any reason they deem justified.....actually for no reason if they want to.
That's what happened to me after dedicating myself to a company for over 10 years.
I learned, don't speak your mind on an important issue if you don't have outside representation to back you up.....I was canned.
Well now, I suppose I have representation, and a cheap family healthcare plan, so I couldn't be happier..........until the company decides to go out of business.


Yeah Tim, as I stated, I'm not too familiar with the Teamsters yet, but there are a few things that don't add up so far. The company I work for has a contract with the account I'm on until 2012, with yearly increases in pay up to that point, but it doesn't prevent the account from dismissing the company I work for when the contract is up.
There's a non-union company working the same account along with us, and I just learned that their pay package seems better than the one we have with the Teamster's contract! The only difference is, the other company has outrageous healthcare premiums for their drivers....they just pay more to keep the drivers from talking union!
It's a trade-off really I think. Non-union, better wage and higher healthcare premiums. Not to mention questionable job security. What if the boss or owners are having a bad day and walks up to you and says....you're fired? Even if you are a dedicated worker with a good history....I know it happened to me. They don't need a reason in Indiana.
Union, satisfactory wage with guaranteed increase for the life of the contract, and low cost healthcare premiums through the Teamster's benefit fund. Representation if needed to keep companies from unfairly dismissing or harrassing workers. Favoritism still exists where I work though, so management must not be too bitter about the Teamster's contract....we all still have to co-exist daily. Basically, the Teamster members are paying a monthly fee of $47 for a lawyer if one is ever needed. And being relieved of the burden of high cost healthcare. Not so terrible.
The only bad thing is, it offers protection for lazy a$$es that don't want to work and who complain endlessly about anything and everything.
I've always had a strong work ethic and complied with company standards wherever I've worked, but it didn't help me one bit when the ax fell. :(


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The government doesn't send jobs overseas, companies send jobs overseas.

And any American who is upset by this reality should boycott the companies who have done so. It's that simple. Don't rely on the government to take care of matters that you can take care of yourself, if you really wanted to!

Nike, for example, not only uses dirt cheap overseas labor but then overcharges you for their products! Personally, I rarely wear any brand of sneakers and the pair I own is over 8 years old! And I'll never spend a lot of money on sneakers. I grew up wearing Keds. And no one ever was killed for their Keds!

Oh.... and don't shop at Walmart. Ole Sam Walton began his empire by personally appearing on TV advertisements and asked for our business by asserting that he only buys American! Try to find anything "American" in Walmart these days!


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NO: Like I said in my last post in this thread, this is about the most civil political thread in any forum that I came across.

Where is Kappy?


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You know, this does actually look hilarious to me in print too, reason being; For 45+ years of my life I got to a point where I became nearly positive "Kappy" and "Singer" were two words that will NEVER be viewed (outside of a facetious setting) together contextually. Although I can no longer be positive of this (going into my second year consisting of hours a day trying to HONESTLY and humbly hold my own in true "4-6 rank" settings among actual singers) the term positive has unfortunately taking backseat to "somewhat certain I might not be a soloist" at any given point, but even that is starting to get removed from my title since I'm beginning to hear myself without total contempt.

Fact is, whether I am able to verbalize this without laughing which is still difficult, or even see it in print (without wetting myself laughing), YES- I have entered competitive interactive singing areas, learning to graciously accept TOTAL candor NOT delivered on a PC platter from others, and I'm learning what it takes to develop the character (not of a backing musician) of a person who's put themselves on the line for rejection, yet also gain, and it feels quite vulnerable.. I'm learning what is between the "Bad or totally sucky singer" realm, and the non-realistic "10 rank singer", or grey areas and seeing what they feel like...

Yeah, I'm showing up in places with really talented singers and a healthy realistic attitude regarding where I do and do not fit (and most importantly I DO NOT let myself get confident yet). Question is, assuming I ever do BECOME what some would call a "decent singer" in any aspect of actual singer as musician realm, will I EVER hear it ? or even accept it ? I will likely be the last to know even assuming it happens.. Maybe this is how things work within the realm of a long developing arduous process I don't know, I'm old but not TOO old to try something new in an area I love, Music.. Thank you all here that helped me develop the testicular fortitude to risk exposing my voice for the first time ever after having hung with you folks for three years.. I never ever thought I'd risk exposing my voice as I have been... (not saying doing so is a wise decision, yet that's moot given the purpose of this message).

I now leave you with a song.

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timberlea @ Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:29 pm wrote:
The Teamsters. Well there's an upstanding organization if I've ever heard of one. Unions are long passe. To prove this I give you the auto union. Why are the Big 3 going into the dumpsters? The UAW. They have priced themselves out of jobs and blaming everyone else. Unions at one point were very important to the working person. Now they are just another political party with their hands in members' pockets.


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