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stogie
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:40 am |
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Just wondering if anyone has any experience with Lexicon vocal effects either with a mixer, a separate vocal effects processor or with a Lexicon desktop recording studio?
I'm really a vocal performer, I DJ a little, but mostly I sing to backing tracks. I'm considering the Lexicon Omega or a Soundcraft FX8 mixer with built in Lexicon effects. I want better vocal effects than what's built in to my Yamaha EMX512 powered mixer.
I was also wondering if the Lexicon Omega could be used as a mixer? Thanks
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karyoker
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:58 am |
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The Lexicon MPX 550 helps vocals immensely but it is more suited for a recording studio or reprocessing single vocal tracks. It is too much of a pain to be changing during live. We leave it on Female Vocal. But you can sure tell when it is bypassed. Even novices are wondering what happened.
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LondonLive
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:27 am |
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The Lexicon Omega is meant more as an interface than anything else, even though it does have the ability to blend two mic inputs and four line inputs. The Omega has no tone controls or onboard FX. I use one for an interface into my computer and it does a fine job for that purpose but as a mixer I think you would find it lacking. As a mixer the Soundcraft FX8 is nice but I wouldn't buy a mixer for its FX. Most onboard FX units are limited to a minimum of algorithms to work with. If cost is a factor, the entry level Lexicons like the MX200's are pretty nice in their price range also the TC Electronics M350 will give you a lot of bang for the buck also.
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:03 pm |
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Is this for live shows or recording only use?
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stogie
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:27 pm |
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Primarily for live shows.
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Keith02
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:50 pm |
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For stage Karaoke, I'd avoid outboard FX especially if I was planning to upgrade my mixer.
I bought the Peavey FX16 mixer last year and don't regret it at all.
The only outboard FX I still use is an Art Pro Channel but just for it's compressors on the mics, not it's tube pre's or EQ's.....the FX16 has great pre's and EQ's and additional FX already built in.....plus it's USB
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TOMMIE TUNES
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:06 pm |
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I use a Lexicon MX-200 in conjunction with the effects from a Mackie CFX-12 for a layered effect, usually a studio delay/vocal hall from the Lexicon, and a smattering of Large Plate from the internal Mackie effects unit. It works real nice for most songs.
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Micky
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:35 pm |
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I would strongly recommend going with an outboard FX such as the MPX 110 for reverb and the DBX 266XL for Compresseur/Gate which is from the same company...
The MPX 110 in a studio is a perfect fit, it has a digital in/out and will let you use the reverb from your software if you're using a pro card. You can record dry and add the fx after from the software
Most onboard FX are poor quality but I guess ok for karaoke, but that's not what you're asking for
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:04 pm |
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Micky @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:35 pm wrote: I would strongly recommend going with an outboard FX such as the MPX 110 for reverb and the DBX 266XL for Compresseur/Gate which is from the same company... The MPX110 is a Lexicon MultiEffects unit, not the same company as dbx. I use the MPX100 (same unit different sampling rate from 16 bit to 20 bit), but it is discontinued for about a year or so. The MPX200 is the newer model. Quote: Most onboard FX are poor quality but I guess ok for karaoke, but that's not what you're asking for
I agree with this statement, you can make them sound decent - I also layered my CFX12 with the external Lexicon for different options that can't be done with a single built in.
I have the Lexicon Alpha interface (smaller version of the Omega), it's not really designed to be a live mixer & doesn't have effects built in the unit itself. It comes with a VST reverb plugin for the recording program you use.
Adding an external unit to your Yamaha will be more of what you are looking at unfortunately, that mixer will not accept external effects. May be time for a mixer upgrade as suggested.
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Micky
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:06 pm |
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Did know the MPX 110 was discontinued When I say same company, I mean same group, it's the Harman International Company
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Micky
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:17 pm |
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Here are the brands that fall under the "Harman International" company
http://www.harman.com/search.aspx
Not a big surprise to see Soundcraft offering a Lexicon reverb
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:43 pm |
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Micky @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:17 pm wrote: Here are the brands that fall under the "Harman International" company http://www.harman.com/search.aspxNot a big surprise to see Soundcraft offering a Lexicon reverb
Well, wuddya know, learn something new everyday. I always wondered why JBL/Crown were always teamed up & that now explains why the dbx Driveracks are set up for JBL/Crown combos!
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stogie
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:29 pm |
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I think I've come as far as I can with my trusty Yamaha Lonman.
I've been thinking about and looking for the right mixer and separate amp for a few months. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Peavey PV10 or the Soundcraft EFX8. I'm leaning towards the Soundcraft because of the built in Lexicon effects.
I'd rather not have an external effects unit because I do performances in different places all the time and I'm trying to keep the number of components to as few as possible to make the load in and set up light and simple.
I can get by with the Yamaha effects and will for a while until I get my new setup. I just want something that sounds better. I've been wanting more power too so this it all tied together. The amps I'm looking at have 500 wpc @ 8 ohms instead of 500 wpc @ 4 ohms. This way I'll be set for 25 people or 200+ people with the same rig.
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Micky
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:49 pm |
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I would go with the Soundcraft for sure, you'll have a nice sound improvement over the Yamaha and the Lexicon FX will be much better than the one you're using in the Yamaha. I just wouldn't consider Peavey...
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Micky
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:52 pm |
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Lonman @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:43 pm wrote: Micky @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:17 pm wrote: Here are the brands that fall under the "Harman International" company http://www.harman.com/search.aspxNot a big surprise to see Soundcraft offering a Lexicon reverb Well, wuddya know, learn something new everyday. I always wondered why JBL/Crown were always teamed up & that now explains why the dbx Driveracks are set up for JBL/Crown combos!
Hey, for once, it's not me learning from you What a huge company, they've been buying all the major brands
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mckyj57
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:04 am |
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stogie @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:40 am wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any experience with Lexicon vocal effects either with a mixer, a separate vocal effects processor or with a Lexicon desktop recording studio?
I'm really a vocal performer, I DJ a little, but mostly I sing to backing tracks. I'm considering the Lexicon Omega or a Soundcraft FX8 mixer with built in Lexicon effects. I want better vocal effects than what's built in to my Yamaha EMX512 powered mixer.
I was also wondering if the Lexicon Omega could be used as a mixer? Thanks
I own a Lexicon MX200. I love it. I find it easy to set my own pre-sets and use them for different types of songs.
I have the ones I use set as user presets 1 through 5. One is for most songs, 2 for good singers doing country, three for ballads, four for retro/60s, and 5 I forget what for as I don't use it now.
I don't know how you are going to get it into the EMX512, though. That is one of the reasons I don't like the box powered mixer style, they are not full-featured as a mixer and most don't have channel inserts.
I don't know that the Omega can really be used as a mixer. It could connect things, of course, and it looks like it might have some level controls, but I would bet it has to be missing something you are going to be working around. For instance, how do you select the effects without a computer?
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Lonman
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:35 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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stogie @ Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:29 pm wrote: I think I've come as far as I can with my trusty Yamaha Lonman.
I've been thinking about and looking for the right mixer and separate amp for a few months. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Peavey PV10 or the Soundcraft EFX8. I'm leaning towards the Soundcraft because of the built in Lexicon effects.
I'd rather not have an external effects unit because I do performances in different places all the time and I'm trying to keep the number of components to as few as possible to make the load in and set up light and simple.
I can get by with the Yamaha effects and will for a while until I get my new setup. I just want something that sounds better. I've been wanting more power too so this it all tied together. The amps I'm looking at have 500 wpc @ 8 ohms instead of 500 wpc @ 4 ohms. This way I'll be set for 25 people or 200+ people with the same rig.
I'd opt for the Soundcraft as well. These are nice units, I owned an old Spirirt Folio 4 & it was pretty nice until a drink got spilled into it
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