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Sheree
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:25 pm |
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Quote: I put out a legitmate question and we both know African-American means black or in the anthroplogical world, negroid (and no that is not a bad word).
From Wikipedia: African-American: Persons born in America having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.
Reality check time---I'd say he qualifies as African-American.
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:28 pm |
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:56 pm |
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There are too many conflicting things going on in this thread. Here is my take. Governments make mistakes that people have passionate arguments about. Governments are made up of people who also have passionate ideas. People are imperfect. There is no perfect person or candidate. I have voted Republican for most of my voting life. I did however vote Democrat for local races when I was young. My Grandfather's cousin was the Honorable Clement J. Zablocki (D) from the state of Wisconsin. My dalliance into Democratic Presidents was the one time I voted for Carter. I voted Republican after that period of malaise. In this past election, I supported McCain. My guy obviously didn't win. I always respect the office of President, so in saying that, President-elect Barrack Obama will have my respect and support. Does that mean I will be agreeing with everything he does? No! But I will engage in letter writing to my representatives in the House and Senate and even the President. I want how I feel known to these elected officials. This is what we as American citizens have the right to do. By the people, of the people, for the people. These people serve us. If they don't, vote them out! Obviously, enough people thought the current admin did not serve the interest of us. A new party and new person now have that job. Just because the man in office is not the one you supported does not mean that the new guy doesn't represent you any less. I am a conservative fiscally. I am a born again Christian. That said, I understand the world and indeed our country consists of all manner of ideas, cultures, needs. Even though I have disagreed with many on this forum, I don't think I ever called anyone a bad name. Some discussions are a bit heated, though. In the event some of my attempts to inject humor were mis-understood (forgot to insert appropriate smilie), for that I apologize.
I sincerely wish our new President-elect all the best and pray that he avails himself to wise council and surrounds himself with those who are knowledgeable in the ways of government. I found his acceptance speech inspiring, almost to the point of being Reaganesque. We are all Americans. We are the greatest nation on Earth. I still believe we can do great things. I believe we are the shining city on the hill. Also, do not think that a strong defensive posture is war-mongering...I hate war, I think it's a bad way to a worse end. But I do believe that it is sometimes necessary to show our strength. I pray the leaders of our great land use care and wisdom when confronted with it.
Dumbdrums, you mentioned that your very own son was persecuted for his beliefs in a mock election. I hope you show him that a man of convictions sometimes has to stand fast against the bullies who would intimidate him. I'm not saying that he needs to bloody the noses of those kids, but never give up his convictions. Our history is replete with those that stood up against those who would have otherwise. Martin Luther King Jr, and all those nameless thousands who stood up against those that would oppose them. Sometimes at the ultimate cost. Fighting for what is right is a good thing. Life is not all butterflies and pixie dust. These are things I try to instill in my step-daughter's mind and in the minds of my nieces and nephews.
I am making a simple request here. There is a speech that Ronald Reagan made during the campaign for Barry Goldwater's Presidential run. Awesome stuff! Well, this is where I sign off. I am The Mighty Lord Air Gtar...and I told you so.
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sw00000p
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:21 am |
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[quote="Catseyeview @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:06 pm
Geez, this thread was supposed to be about the accomplishment our country made yesterday! I give up.[/quote]
Catseyeview, GOD BLESS YOU and the few others here that have evolved with the times. You few selected people are Banging your head against the wall for nothing!
Every Negative comment results from:
* Bigots Breeding Bigotry *
You Can't Stop This!
'SATAN' has a way of trying to ruin anything Good.
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:03 am |
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eben @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:59 am wrote: One more thing.
Those of you who stated they are afraid for their country because Obama is elected.
Let's discuss with facts rather than just emotions and bias.
What exactly are you afraid of? What do you think Obama will do that will get our country in to failure mode? I would like to know specific issue with facts to support it.
If you are that scared, shouldn't you be able to articulate it in to fact supported statement? Now, don't get emotional about it, just state the facts.
Ben babe when you are ready to run for office I will emigrate to US and vote for ya...
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:30 am |
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sw00000p @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:21 pm wrote: You Can't Stop This! 'SATIN' has a way of trying to ruin anything Good.
yeah I agree, Satin can be a *&^)^& I mean you try having a decent naughty on SATIN sheets...one good thrust can have you heading out thru the window!!!!
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knightshow
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:28 am |
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dumbdrums @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:49 pm wrote: Quote: BTW, McCain gave a very gracious speech last night. I was very moved. He's a true American patriot who is putting this all behind him for the good of the country. Let's all try to do the same and give him a chance. i totally agree Sheree. He handled that with as much dignity as I have ever seen someone handle it. I really liked that Mccain, where was that guy during the race... My thoughts exactly. My biggest problem with McCain's election bid is he spent more time being negative and pointing out the horrors of Obama, rather than telling us what he stood for, where he was going to act first, what he wanted to do. Every time I saw a negative ad or him speak negatively, I changed the F*n channel.
Not saying Obama didn't as well, but in this case, the Republicans sure led the way through the shark-infested waters.
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knightshow
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:31 am |
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dumbdrums @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:13 pm wrote: if you dont think you havent been critical of our country, you are as loony as your "dollar"..you have this attitude of rubbing our noses in all of our shortcomings (healthcare, military, black president) believe me, everyone here can see you for what you are. Perhaps we should start a Canada threasd and we can let you know everything that is wrong with your government. and how can my attitude make us look ugly, if all ive been talking about was how positive a TRUE African American elect can give this country some fresh air. You sir, have made this discussion ugly, not me. im just arguing with everyone thats been saying that they are afraid for their future. and believe me, i work close to the border and your citizens come down here by the busload to get a little of that American Spirit, that you seem to find ugly... Canada is one of our biggest allies, Mikey. PLEASE... I've been friends with Tim for a long time (online, never had the pleasure of meeting him in person), and yes, I've argued with him.
But there was always respect.
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:10 am |
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The point being one can call President Obama as much a Caucasian as one can African-American and in fact the proper term is Mulatto. Regardless he has a very difficult job ahead.
You want to criticize my country, go right ahead. That is your and anyone else's right. We always criticize our leaders as your people do with yours. It's the number one pasttime of those who live in democracy.
Knight a beer with you anytime. Shall we use 8 or 16oz gloves.
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dumbdrums
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:10 am |
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lordairgtar @ 11/5/2008, 10:56 pm wrote: There are too many conflicting things going on in this thread. Here is my take. Governments make mistakes that people have passionate arguments about. Governments are made up of people who also have passionate ideas. People are imperfect. There is no perfect person or candidate. I have voted Republican for most of my voting life. I did however vote Democrat for local races when I was young. My Grandfather's cousin was the Honorable Clement J. Zablocki (D) from the state of Wisconsin. My dalliance into Democratic Presidents was the one time I voted for Carter. I voted Republican after that period of malaise. In this past election, I supported McCain. My guy obviously didn't win. I always respect the office of President, so in saying that, President-elect Barrack Obama will have my respect and support. Does that mean I will be agreeing with everything he does? No! But I will engage in letter writing to my representatives in the House and Senate and even the President. I want how I feel known to these elected officials. This is what we as American citizens have the right to do. By the people, of the people, for the people. These people serve us. If they don't, vote them out! Obviously, enough people thought the current admin did not serve the interest of us. A new party and new person now have that job. Just because the man in office is not the one you supported does not mean that the new guy doesn't represent you any less. I am a conservative fiscally. I am a born again Christian. That said, I understand the world and indeed our country consists of all manner of ideas, cultures, needs. Even though I have disagreed with many on this forum, I don't think I ever called anyone a bad name. Some discussions are a bit heated, though. In the event some of my attempts to inject humor were mis-understood (forgot to insert appropriate smilie), for that I apologize. I sincerely wish our new President-elect all the best and pray that he avails himself to wise council and surrounds himself with those who are knowledgeable in the ways of government. I found his acceptance speech inspiring, almost to the point of being Reaganesque. We are all Americans. We are the greatest nation on Earth. I still believe we can do great things. I believe we are the shining city on the hill. Also, do not think that a strong defensive posture is war-mongering...I hate war, I think it's a bad way to a worse end. But I do believe that it is sometimes necessary to show our strength. I pray the leaders of our great land use care and wisdom when confronted with it. Dumbdrums, you mentioned that your very own son was persecuted for his beliefs in a mock election. I hope you show him that a man of convictions sometimes has to stand fast against the bullies who would intimidate him. I'm not saying that he needs to bloody the noses of those kids, but never give up his convictions. Our history is replete with those that stood up against those who would have otherwise. Martin Luther King Jr, and all those nameless thousands who stood up against those that would oppose them. Sometimes at the ultimate cost. Fighting for what is right is a good thing. Life is not all butterflies and pixie dust. These are things I try to instill in my step-daughter's mind and in the minds of my nieces and nephews. I am making a simple request here. There is a speech that Ronald Reagan made during the campaign for Barry Goldwater's Presidential run. Awesome stuff! Well, this is where I sign off. I am The Mighty Lord Air Gtar...and I told you so.
this is one of the best posts on here...Thank you Lord air gtar. You put your feelings quite eloquently. I always seem to get a little too passionate for my beliefs and come off as ranting. This body of text sums up my feelings pretty much.as for my son, he bravely went back to school and was proud that his candidate had won, then he got pink eye and had to come home thanks for a great write here Lord air gtr.
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Babs
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:28 am |
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eben @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:38 pm wrote: Babs @ Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:45 pm wrote: Speaking of Jesse Jackson -
I hated seeing him in the audience when Obama delivered his speech. I think he is a horrible representive of the African American people. I live in Chicago and know of all his corruptness. It made me want to puke when I saw him with a tear in his eye. He is probably thinking of how he can make money off of this president. What a disgrace this man is to the American people. Aaaarg! I must admit that I don't know Jesse Jackson well enough. I don't really care what he does or did. I do give him credit for showing some emotion for something that he may have believed for many years would not happen. It wasn't just him. I have seen thousands of African Americans in tears of disbelief. Many of them said it will never happen in their life time. I saw an article on local newspaper about a 95 year old black woman crying because she never thought it would happen. There are good people and bad people in this world. Some take advantage of everyone. Can we just take the moment as it is, a political history being made, rather than comment negatively on people who were there last night? I mean are you going say the same thing about Oprah? She made his campaign happen and I be she was proud and happy. She show some emotion as well. Why not pick on something positive from this campaign rather than negative?
After hearing Obama's speech I was inspired. It really moved me to see our country and other countries so united and excited about the future.
The only reason I mentioned Jesse is because seeing him in the audience took away from the sincerity of the moment for me. If he truly was being genuine in his tears I would be surprised. He is known here as an oportunist, like Johnny said. He'll do anything just to get his pic on tv.
I did not mean it to sound like I was making a negative comment about the event. I was simply pointing out seeing Jesse there to me angered me because I don't believe his intentions are pure. I was really feeling the moment and tearing up myself. It made me feel glad to be an American even though I did not vote for Obama, then Jesse Jackson's face pops on the screen. Aaarg ! It's like enjoying a great meal to find a fly in it.
Sorry Eben, it was a special night. I hope you understand I was not trying to make it less than that.
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:39 am |
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sw00000p @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:09 am wrote: Ooops! SATAN!
and I will treat that statement with the same flipancy and contempt as your spelling error. plueeeze!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:58 am |
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I, as a Democrat, have sat back and quietly(in the beginning) watched Bush(I voted for him the first time) as he got us in some big problems in his first term. I then had to watch as he tried to fix things, and the old problems got bigger, and new, even more serious problems were created.........what's done is done, and all I ask is.....GIVE OBAMA A CHANCE, HE EARNED IT......SAVE YOUR CTITISISMS FOR WHEN HE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING THAT HURTS THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE. DO YOU THINK HE WOULD WANT HIS TWO BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTERS TO GROW UP IN A 2ND RATE COUNTRY?.....THAT IS EITHER ONE LOVING FAMILY, OR FOUR OF THE BEST ACTORS I'VE EVER SEEN.......PEACE TO ALL
ps......Mikey......I've never met a Canadian I didn't like......I think we're all just having some miss-understandings. Typing feelings instead of expressing them face to face causes much of the "real intent" to be left out, and from there it tends to snowball out of control..........I must admit.....it is kinda funny the way SouthPark portays them.....
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Nlouch
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:20 am |
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Wow, was sent a link by a friend, simply saying "Can you believe this crap"... OK So I click the link...
There are people out there who honestly, to the letter, believe Obama to be the antichrist. Using half-quoted parts of revelations, they have actually convinced themselves he is the harbinger of doom.
Can someone please tell me what year it is???
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Bill H.
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:27 am |
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To those who don't live here in the US, don't be deceived by the media coverage of the post election celebrations, which give the appearance that everyone is ecstatic over this result. This country is not 100% behind Obama by any means, and you are getting a taste of that here in this thread.
Although it was an electoral landslide, the popular vote was just a 6% swing. There are probably over 100 million Obama haters in the country and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.
I went to church last night and it was like a funeral in there. "I don't know why God let this happen" our pastor said at one point. "God will punish this nation for this" a woman remarked later.
All the Tuesday euphoria is gone from me at this point. Reality has set in. The new administration will face an incredible uphill battle. Not only with the economy, but with us, the American citizens.
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Babs
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That's what makes us Americans. We have the freedom to speak our mind.
I would rather look at things in a positive way for now. Obama could be one of the greatest presidents to date. I sure would love to give him the chance.
People should keep in him check just like any other president, but to tear him down before he has even done anything?, I don't believe helps anyone.
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:42 am |
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Bill H. @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:27 am wrote: To those who don't live here in the US, don't be deceived by the media coverage of the post election celebrations, which give the appearance that everyone is ecstatic over this result. This country is not 100% behind Obama by any means, and you are getting a taste of that here in this thread.
Although it was an electoral landslide, the popular vote was just a 6% swing. There are probably over 100 million Obama haters in the country and he hasn't even taken the oath of office yet.
I went to church last night and it was like a funeral in there. "I don't know why God let this happen" our pastor said at one point. "God will punish this nation for this" a woman remarked later.
All the Tuesday euphoria is gone from me at this point. Reality has set in. The new administration will face an incredible uphill battle. Not only with the economy, but with us, the American citizens.
and you still want to go to church?
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MorganLeFey
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:43 am |
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Babs @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:39 am wrote: That's what makes us Americans. We have the freedom to speak our mind. I would rather look at things in a positive way for now. Obama could be one of the greatest presidents to date. I sure would love to give him the chance. People should keep in him check just like any other president, but to tear him down before he has even done anything?, I don't believe helps anyone.
errr honey when has america ever kept their presidents in check? if that were the case then surely Bush would have been on his tush last election
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