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knightshow
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:43 am |
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timberlea @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:10 am wrote: The point being one can call President Obama as much a Caucasian as one can African-American and in fact the proper term is Mulatto. Regardless he has a very difficult job ahead. You want to criticize my country, go right ahead. That is your and anyone else's right. We always criticize our leaders as your people do with yours. It's the number one pasttime of those who live in democracy. Knight a beer with you anytime. Shall we use 8 or 16oz gloves. heheheh, how about those big, fluffy, pillow ones? !
I will say from a TECHNICAL aspect, the Mulatto is more correct. But in keeping with with modern acceptance, anyone with black ancestry can and usually do label themselves as blacks or african americans. He's married a black woman and has two gorgeous daughters.
I'd say he's about as african american as you can get.
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knightshow
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:46 am |
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johnny reverb @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:01 pm wrote: Ok, just want to put things in perspective......about 133 million voted, representing 64% of registered voters. With early voting and absentee voting, I conclude, as do most experts, 36% didn't care who won. Now Obama took 52% to 46% for McCain. The highest percentage since Papa Bush(52%), and the highest for a Democrat since 1964(LBJ). Now as far as the black vote goes, blacks vote for the Democratic candidate over 90% of the time, so it didn't matter that Obama was black.... now if the Republican presidential candidate is ever black, we can see if color makes a difference..... you can count me as one of those that didn't give a rat's patootie who won, since the best we could do was Obama, Clinton and McCain. Of the three, I wanted McCain, and I'm usualy a Dem.
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JerryJames
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:37 am |
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knightshow @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:43 am wrote: I will say from a TECHNICAL aspect, the Mulatto is more correct. But in keeping with with modern acceptance, anyone with black ancestry can and usually do label themselves as blacks or african americans. He's married a black woman and has two gorgeous daughters.
I'd say he's about as african american as you can get.
Generally anyone with black ancestry are more better accepted by the african american community. note: I live about 50 miles from Memphis and this area has problems that just don't go away.
I'm not sure that "Mulatto" is an acceptable term to describe people of today. It's an old term and really doesn't apply anymore.
"I'd say he's about as african american as you can get" I would agree.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:44 am |
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Geeze, This Thread Has Been Beat To Death!
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Frank V.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:50 am |
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knightshow @ 7th November 2008, 07:46 wrote: johnny reverb @ Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:01 pm wrote: Ok, just want to put things in perspective......about 133 million voted, representing 64% of registered voters. With early voting and absentee voting, I conclude, as do most experts, 36% didn't care who won. Now Obama took 52% to 46% for McCain. The highest percentage since Papa Bush(52%), and the highest for a Democrat since 1964(LBJ). Now as far as the black vote goes, blacks vote for the Democratic candidate over 90% of the time, so it didn't matter that Obama was black.... now if the Republican presidential candidate is ever black, we can see if color makes a difference..... you can count me as one of those that didn't give a rat's patootie who won, since the best we could do was Obama, Clinton and McCain. Of the three, I wanted McCain, and I'm usualy a Dem.
I agree. As a registered Democrat (raised up in a union family) I was not pleased
with the DNC choice of candidates this year. I would have been more comfortable
with Jim Webb (D-Va) running. He is a decorated USMC Vietnam vet who served
as Secretary of the Navy under Reagan. Obama and the Clintons are way too
socialistic to my way of thinking. They are not cut from the same cloth as were
Roosevelt and Truman - the last of the real Democrats.
If McCain wanted to win, Colin Powell would have been a better running mate.
Trying to swing the Hillary vote away with Palin was political suicide. They should
have seen it coming. I knew right away that wasn't going to work.
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dumbdrums
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:39 am |
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so let me get this straight, If I say that I am Irish American then all my former ancestors must come from Ireland. Seriously to take away the greatest thing that has happened to blacks in a generation by "graying" the definition of African American is sad. Why cant we be happy for their pride and Let them cherish this moment that makes me proud to be an American? Oh wait, Im not American, my grandparents came from Germany.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:58 am |
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by the way. according to wikipedia, the term "Mullato" is considered an offensive term to those who go by "bi-racial". Not 'in at anybody, just educating
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knightshow
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:14 am |
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I agree.
I'm not white either, I'm sort of a pale blue (with nods to Billy Connelly)!
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karyoker
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:32 am |
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ml_texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:06 pm |
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it would solve a lot of problems if everyone would lay aside the color of their skin and just be American. That is what I think! Drop the African American and Mexican American and just be American. After all , I too, am originally from Germany. It is rediculous for them to draw the lines of separation between themselves and others by dragging up their ancestory. We are all proud of where our ancestors came from, or should be, but we are no longer from there. I was born in America, that makes me an American, not German American. Obama was, supposedly born in the U.S. too, so that makes him an American. Let go of the nonsence and things would be much better. They do not need to add anything to their American heritage. If they want to be American, be American and quit trying to be something else! Just my take on it all. I am not prejudice. I have many black friends and hispanic friends who feel the same way. They get mad and frustrated at the constant efforts to drag the words "African" or "Mexican" in front of the word "American." If we are truly a people who accepts other races, then we dont need a reminder of their color or origin. I am sure I am going to get blasted here. I dont mean any of this in a bad way. Maybe I am not explaining what I mean very well. I am just trying to say, we should all be American and that is enough.
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Babs
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:44 pm |
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ml_texas @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:06 pm wrote: it would solve a lot of problems if everyone would lay aside the color of their skin and just be American. That is what I think! Drop the African American and Mexican American and just be American. After all , I too, am originally from Germany. It is rediculous for them to draw the lines of separation between themselves and others by dragging up their ancestory. We are all proud of where our ancestors came from, or should be, but we are no longer from there. I was born in America, that makes me an American, not German American. Obama was, supposedly born in the U.S. too, so that makes him an American. Let go of the nonsence and things would be much better. They do not need to add anything to their American heritage. If they want to be American, be American and quit trying to be something else! Just my take on it all. I am not prejudice. I have many black friends and hispanic friends who feel the same way. They get mad and frustrated at the constant efforts to drag the words "African" or "Mexican" in front of the word "American." If we are truly a people who accepts other races, then we dont need a reminder of their color or origin. I am sure I am going to get blasted here. I dont mean any of this in a bad way. Maybe I am not explaining what I mean very well. I am just trying to say, we should all be American and that is enough.
I agree it shouldn't matter. The problem is it does to many. I understand it means a lot for the black children to see that you can grow up and become anything you want. Now it has happened, so hopefully we will be a less prejudice as a country. The president elects race will have a big influence in uniting our country as one. It has this sense of hope attached to it.
If a black man can become president there is hope anything can be achieved. That in itself is inspiring for our country as a whole. It is a miracle to many. If this miracle could happen maybe more will come. Obama being African American and being elected is a sign of hope. We wish everyone to be viewed as equal. This is a sign that it can happen and our nation has hope that other big changes will follow.
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johnny reverb
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:57 pm |
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I totally agree (Mike, I think?), and I don't see why what you say would offend anyone. American doesn't really get it for me though, because there are many countries whose people can call themselves Americans. We need something like U-S-ians, Usians(as in us), or Yousians spelled Usians too..... ......U.S. of Avians.spelled US@Avians...........actually, I'm half French and Half Greek......I'm a Freak.......
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:05 pm |
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ml_texas @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:06 pm wrote: it would solve a lot of problems if everyone would lay aside the color of their skin and just be American. That is what I think! Drop the African American and Mexican American and just be American. After all , I too, am originally from Germany. It is rediculous for them to draw the lines of separation between themselves and others by dragging up their ancestory. We are all proud of where our ancestors came from, or should be, but we are no longer from there. I was born in America, that makes me an American, not German American. Obama was, supposedly born in the U.S. too, so that makes him an American. Let go of the nonsence and things would be much better. They do not need to add anything to their American heritage. If they want to be American, be American and quit trying to be something else! Just my take on it all. I am not prejudice. I have many black friends and hispanic friends who feel the same way. They get mad and frustrated at the constant efforts to drag the words "African" or "Mexican" in front of the word "American." If we are truly a people who accepts other races, then we dont need a reminder of their color or origin. I am sure I am going to get blasted here. I dont mean any of this in a bad way. Maybe I am not explaining what I mean very well. I am just trying to say, we should all be American and that is enough.
Well, I disagree. You are only talking about those who are born in the country. How about those who are naturalized citizens? Just because you were born here you have more rights? I know two friends who were born in Germany and became US citizens. They celebrate Octoberfest with pride because it' a culture they believe in.
If we follow your logic, we should do away with Octoberfest, St. Patrick's day, Cinco de Mayo, Bastille day, etc. etc. because we should be all under one roof, generic American.
I rather like the different cultures in the country. That's what it makes this country great. Obviously you have never been to my side of the country. A researcher at Stanford has found that the primary reason why Silicon Valley is successful is because of the diversity of the area. Many have tried to duplicate this formula, Silicon Alley in East Coast, Silicon Glen in Scotland, etc. They never succeeded.
Why is that? Because here in SV, two things stand out. Every single startup company has a foreign born founder. That's one reason. Other reason is tolerance for failure. The culture here believes that failure is not a bad thing and second and third chances almost always given. We believe that first timers deserve a chance to make it or fail. We don't pre-judge people as much others around the country.
If we take the similar notion around whatever we do in this country, we will succeed on anything we do.
California = 7th largest economy in the world by itself. FYI.
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Quote: it would solve a lot of problems if everyone would lay aside the color of their skin and just be American. That is what I think! Drop the African American and Mexican American and just be American. After all , I too, am originally from Germany. It is rediculous for them to draw the lines of separation between themselves and others by dragging up their ancestory. We are all proud of where our ancestors came from, or should be, but we are no longer from there. I was born in America, that makes me an American, not German American. Obama was, supposedly born in the U.S. too, so that makes him an American. Let go of the nonsence and things would be much better. They do not need to add anything to their American heritage.
Why is the color of their skin important? Just ask Jackie Robinson. Or Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King...or any number of African Americans who fought for this day for a very long time. Let them celebrate! I think it's fantastic to finally see that we've all come to this time in history. It's been a long and tough road. Perhaps one day we will be able to judge people by the content of their character alone. Many people just aren't quite that evolved yet. I was just reading an article in the New York Times yesterday http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/the-klan-chimes-in-on-obama/ where the KKK chimes in on the first black President. Thomas Robb, the Klan's national director wants to make it clear that Obama is half white (Mulatto). As if that makes any difference to them! Children who had ANY African American blood in them were treated just the same back in the day, with distain.... and in some places that still exists. I'd say most all African Americans today are a mixture just like the rest of us, but the color of their skin sets them apart and causes some people to judge them unfairly.
The fact of the matter is, our new President is a symbol to many people because of his heritage. If you wanted to embrace your heritage you have the right to do so. If you don't, you have that right also. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:17 pm |
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From many travels and explorations I have always tried to detect and adopt certain qualities of regions, countries and races. Prejudice is a sign of immaturity and at the very least indicates a lack of experience with other ways. Inside my heart I have black and white and all colors in between. I doubt very seriously if I chose 3 different races if anybody could tell me their best and worst traits. For they all do including mine.
I deal with everybody on a one on one basis and in 2 minutes you would think we have known each other for 20 years. I do not hide behind walls. This is me and it took many years to reach this point with many mistakes and fights. I have been in mexican bars and black bars and was the only white boy in there.
It is one thing to talk the talk it is another to walk the walk..
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ml_texas @ Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:06 pm wrote: it would solve a lot of problems if everyone would lay aside the color of their skin and just be American. That is what I think! Drop the African American and Mexican American and just be American. After all , I too, am originally from Germany. It is ridiculous for them to draw the lines of separation between themselves and others by dragging up their ancestry. We are all proud of where our ancestors came from, or should be, but we are no longer from there. I was born in America, that makes me an American, not German American. Obama was, supposedly born in the U.S. too, so that makes him an American. Let go of the nonsense and things would be much better. They do not need to add anything to their American heritage. If they want to be American, be American and quit trying to be something else! Just my take on it all. I am not prejudice. I have many black friends and Hispanic friends who feel the same way. They get mad and frustrated at the constant efforts to drag the words "African" or "Mexican" in front of the word "American." If we are truly a people who accepts other races, then we don't need a reminder of their color or origin. I am sure I am going to get blasted here. I don't mean any of this in a bad way. Maybe I am not explaining what I mean very well. I am just trying to say, we should all be American and that is enough.
We should be just called Americans, but that should not be a reason to drop ones cultural background. I come from a city that prides itself on its multi-national culture. Here in Milwaukee we have festivals at the Summerfest grounds during the summer months celebrating Polish, German, Greek, Italian, Native American, African, Hispanic, Asian and even Arabic culture. We even have Bastille Days downtown where all good things French can be sampled from food, wine and music.
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there are good things french?
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