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Johnny, Loitering is a crime. If they are not spending money they are loitering.

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Chip, my foremost singer who pays the most attention to my rotation, is up to the mike before I call him, drinks like a fish. Not just beer, but mixed drinks and shots.

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They can be there too and even add to things, but if they dominate, you are sunk.

But you ain't going to shame anyone into it -- it is stupid to try. And shaming them about not drinking is really, really, bad in my opinion.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I think we all agreed.....Hot Chicks are exempt..... ..at least I didn't hear any arguments.....

as long as they have a seat, they're ok

VerbInfinitive
to loiter

to loiter (third-person singular simple present loiters, present participle loitering, simple past and past participle loitered)

To stand about without any aim or purpose; to stand about idly; to linger; to hang around.
For some reason, they discourage loitering outside the store, but encourage it inside.

Of course -- that's another unwritten law in the bar biz....

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Right. We're not out to shame anyone into becoming an alcoholic but if they're not spending, your reason for being there is quickly being diminished.

Those that come in and nurse a single beer for 2 hours isn't helping the club or me at all. It would be better off to charge them a few bucks to sing if that's all they are there for anyway but you know how far that would go...



Exactly. My problem are those that are there to sing primarily and taking up space from those that would be there spending more. When the ratio leans to heavily in that direction, then you start hearing grumbling from the owner and staff.

Often, you hear the pop/water drinkers complain if they are charged for water or pop refills and frankly, this doesn't bother me much. Karaoke isn't really free although they'd like it to be.

Right. We're not out to shame anyone into becoming an alcoholic but if they're not spending, your reason for being there is quickly being diminished.

Those that come in and nurse a single beer for 2 hours isn't helping the club or me at all. It would be better off to charge them a few bucks to sing if that's all they are there for anyway but you know how far that would go...



Exactly. My problem are those that are there to sing primarily and taking up space from those that would be there spending more. When the ratio leans to heavily in that direction, then you start hearing grumbling from the owner and staff.

Often, you hear the pop/water drinkers complain if they are charged for water or pop refills and frankly, this doesn't bother me much. Karaoke isn't really free although they'd like it to be.

PERFECT! A good singer that spends money too!

(he won't have much of a liver after a few years, but you're not his counselor.)

It's those people that don't spend a dime and keep an eye on your rotation that are the worst for your business.... they take up space, spend nothing, don't tip and usually are an annoying pain in the a$$. It doesn't matter how well they sing UNLESS they have brought in a bunch of spending listeners with them.... Not something that usually happens though.

Just like I shrugged off the one (down to one!) dance music complainer at our Friday show. The previous host did more dance music, and the crowds eventually stayed away in droves. We do one dance set a night, about halfway through, and in the 6 weeks we have been there the crowd went from decent to where you can't move in the place.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

The cost of a 'water" at a BAR should be as much as the cheapest drink or soda.
The exception is if you are DRINKING and request a water it should be free.
No one should be allowed to sit in a bar to sing karaoke without spending money ...thats should be plain and simple and everyone should agree.
For those people who DO NOT or SHOULD NOT or CAN NOT drink alcohol maybe a BAR is not the place for you ? But if you're ok with being in a bar to sing Karaoke ...you have to spend money to support the bar. And for those people who do come out to sing and drink Thanks ..drinking is legal and as long as your are responsibile not a problem.

For those who can not drink and complain about the price of WATER or SODA in a BAR ............Stay Home

Now there's a mantra I can live with!

You don't hear me telling people not to drink. If they want to and can, more power to them! I don't much like it when they fall on my equipment, but they are part of the landscape in the bar. And so are the cheapskates. And the romeos, and...well, Toby Keith said it best.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

It's funny this subject came up because I had a conversation with the owner of the bar I work at this past week about this subject.

I was commenting to the owner about a gentlemen that comes in by himself and never mingles with anyone. He has a heavy japaneze accent and was singing "She Bangs". I thought it was amuzing.

The owner went off about him because he only drinks free tap water and never tips the bartenders. He contributes nothing monetarily to the bar.

I don't have a clue who spends money and who doesn't. I'm the karaoke person. I said if it bothers you that much why don't you say something to him or make him buy bottled water.

I think this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone spending zero in the bar. We sell food, have a pool table, and video games. Most people even if they don't drink alcohol at least buy a pop, have friends who come in with them, buy food or play the games.

After having this conversation I realize it is not my responsibilty. As a host I have no conception of who spends money and how much. I have no control over making a loiterer leave the bar. I can't make people spend money. If the owner doesn't like it, it is his responsibilty to do something.

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Woo wee....you are such a hard liner......strong women turn me on......

My feelings on the subject are that for the most part most people are spending money. It is rare to have someone come in alone all the time and not spend a dime.

If it becomes a problem that most of your singers aren't spending enough money for the bar to support karaoke they probably won't make it as a whole.

I think the question here should be - What is the solution to a failing bar that has not enough people spending money?

We as karaoke hosts can't control this problem. Are job is to bring the people in. Is it my job to worry about what people drink?

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I agree NOT the KJs problem to fix .... But as KJ's we should understand that
even the GOOD KARAOKE singers are not worthy if they don't spend money and contribute SOMETHING to the bottom line of the bar. They ( NON SPENDERS) only take up valuable singing time otherwise reserved for real CUSTOMERS.

Then again if the OWNERS or MANAGERS don't mind who spends money

Then I don't either !!!

You know that is the first thing that went through my mind when the owner said something. I thought to myself he is taking up space and time in my rotation and he isn't contributing. But when you think about it that is all he is doing when it comes to what I'm concerned with.

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Actually, loitering is NOT a crime, it is a violation. Like not paying the parking meter.

The difference is that you don't get arrested for not paying the parking meter and you can if you loiter and refuse to move on after being asked to. Yeah that translates to trespassing but it started with loitering.

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