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Psttt, Mickey, I SAW what ya said! LOL!


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Psttt, Mickey, I SAW what ya said! LOL!



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Then go for the system that treats everyone equally, crappy accomadations, lousy ration book and $15.00 a month. Matt do these big money earners just wake up one morning and start making huge salaries? I doubt it. They work towards it or start small and work on making it big with a lot of sweat, ambition and work. It's like the overnight success of actors or musicians, most worked on their crafts for years before being "discovered". And yes as with everything else there are exceptions.

How many of you support the fat cats by buying movie tickets, concert tickets, sports event tickets and new cars. You don't like people making big money, then don't buy luxuries, buy used cars or go by bus, etc. If enough people don't go to fast food places, buy Coke or new cars or go to sporting events, then they can't make money and fold.

The vast majority of big corporations make huge contributions to various charities both monetarily and as sponsers (yes they also get the advertisementout of it).

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Then go for the system that treats everyone equally, crappy accomadations, lousy ration book and $15.00 a month. Matt do these big money earners just wake up one morning and start making huge salaries? I doubt it. They work towards it or start small and work on making it big with a lot of sweat, ambition and work. It's like the overnight success of actors or musicians, most worked on their crafts for years before being "discovered". And yes as with everything else there are exceptions.

How many of you support the fat cats by buying movie tickets, concert tickets, sports event tickets and new cars. You don't like people making big money, then don't buy luxuries, buy used cars or go by bus, etc. If enough people don't go to fast food places, buy Coke or new cars or go to sporting events, then they can't make money and fold.

The vast majority of big corporations make huge contributions to various charities both monetarily and as sponsers (yes they also get the advertisementout of it).

I bought my first new car last year. Previously, I could only afford old used cars. And those were usually on their last legs when I bought them. You can say all you want about the CEOs making obscene amounts of money, but those same CEOs sign the paychecks of the rank and file. Then you add in the employees of the different suppliers, the mechanics, body shops, drive in restaurants, parts suppliers to the aftermarket and yes, even bars and clubs that you host your shows at. It is all connected. And yes, they give huge amounts to or start foundations to support medical research, advocacy for the poor, the arts, Habitat for Humanity...all sorts of charitable organizations. If they had to depend on the factory worker for donations, there wouldn't be as much helping. Watch the MDA telethon and see the amounts that corporate entities give.


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so if the wealthy are so into giving to charities, why are they opposed to a higher tax. Do our taxes not go to some worthwhile charities, such as social security, medicare, welfare, schools, inner city programs? why do the rich get commended on dropping millions to Jerrys kids, when i havent seen any progress in a cure. Before you all jump on me for being insensitive, i do recognise the wonderful work MDA does for its benefactors. Im just sayin, they only give for the publicity. To be seen on tv handing over a oversized check to Jerry Lewis. Could it be, they dont want to give in taxes to benefit the needy because there is no photo ops but rather just due diligence. Think about it before you paint the rich as caring givers. Its all for the bragging rights and page one pictures that thery give. oh and dont forget, its a write off for them anyways.

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New rule anyone who makes over $30,000 a year must give the excess away. Will that make you happy Dumbdrums?

We all know how well the government takes care of our money.

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It costs business and industry about 15 grand per employee for health and dental care in the U.S.. How can U.S. business possibly compete with a countries like Canada, who's manufacturing doesn't have to worry about such costs.
Not to mention, with countries, that pay their workers a few dollars a day for 12 or more hours of labor per day.
This is why our forefathers were pro tarriff, and import duties. Call me a protectionist, but tell me this....when did the word protection become a four letter word? You protect your family, your belongings, why not your jobs. The wealthy know it's easy money exploiting the people of poorer nations, so over the years they have convinced Americans that protection is a bad thing,
Bottom line.....Free Trade doesn't mean Fair Trade....though they have convinced many people that the two are one in the same.


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There's another one who thinks health care in Canada is free. Not only do we pay heavy taxes for our health care, we also need private health insurance (because contrary to popular belief not everything is covered) and complete dental insurance (completely privatized) which costs both the employer and employee.

Dumbdrums please tell us what your utopian economy and pay rates would be in the US. Because on one hand you (@$%&#!) if the heir of a company takes over yet you basically said you'd do the same for your kids.

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timberlea @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:29 am wrote:
New rule anyone who makes over $30,000 a year must give the excess away. Will that make you happy Dumbdrums?

We all know how well the government takes care of our money.


Nobody is advocating communism or socialism here.

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Then go for the system that treats everyone equally, crappy accomadations, lousy ration book and $15.00 a month.


A totally capitalistic society would be anarchy too. Uncontrolled capitalism is as repressive to the people as a dictatorship or fascism. The reason is simple, people are greedy by human nature. That very greed is part of the reason we are in the economic mess we are in. We are looking for some kind of middle ground that is beneficial for everyone.

I hear you talking about what's wrong with our country and what's going to happen next, timberlea, but please, why don't you tell US what we need to do in order to attain your Utopian society. You seem to be an expert on the subject.

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timberlea @ 11/15/2008, 9:29 am wrote:
New rule anyone who makes over $30,000 a year must give the excess away. Will that make you happy Dumbdrums?

We all know how well the government takes care of our money.


how can you say "our" money....... :banger:

did i EVER say people should give away all their excess money...one more time for the learning impaired...I am asking big businesses to pay their share in percentage of taxes. According to our new President , that will be a few percentages over what they are paying now. Any millionaires (and Canadians) that want to (@$%&#!) about the unfairness of it all, can take their business overseas (which most of em already do anyways) and they can sell to another market. PERIOD...that is Eutopian to me. The strong helping the weak. If we were invaded by another country, it would be the weak that would gather up arms and fight, i guarantee it ! not discounting all the wealthy, but most would grab their money and run off to another country. If they were smart they would head South :wink:
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timberlea @ 11/15/2008, 1:29 pm wrote:
There's another one who thinks health care in Canada is free. Not only do we pay heavy taxes for our health care, we also need private health insurance (because contrary to popular belief not everything is covered) and complete dental insurance (completely privatized) which costs both the employer and employee.

Dumbdrums please tell us what your utopian economy and pay rates would be in the US. Because on one hand you <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span> if the heir of a company takes over yet you basically said you'd do the same for your kids.


I believe I said, I would hand over the keys to the most responsible. Hardest worker earns highest wage. I work on commision and I make more than guys that have been at my work 10 years longer than I have because I work harder and get paid extra for my efforts. You keep incinuating that lower class workers are lazy and less deserving than the management. Why dont you share with all of us what exactly you do and how exactly you take care of your family. It would seem your life is more Eutopian than ours. I believe your society is a lot closer to Socialism than ours. It seems everytime I turn around Canadians are bragging about their Socialistic health care system. Im gonna have to assume that you are wrong about the fact that its not free :banger:

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Not sure who you've been talking to about ur health care it is neither free or efficient.

So you work hard and get well compensated and you think it's ok for the government to take more away from you so some lazy idiot can sit home and drink beer.

Exactly where did I say the working class were lazy. If one takes a job and knows the pay then why complain? You want a better job then do what you need to do to get it. There are programs out there and scholarships and bursaries for school etc. A lot of poor people have overcome their situations and made successes of themselves. But then it seems nowadays success is a four letter word and it satart in schools where no one is left behind and god forbid if you reward one child for a job well done because it might hurt the feelings of the others.

The ones on welfare or homeless who are ablebodied are definitately lazy and living off yours and mine taxes. Those who are physically or mentally handicapped is a whole other matter and the governent and charitable organizations should be involved to look out for their welfare.

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Okay, it's time to put a stop to this nonsense!! Take these, stand back to back, walk 50 paces (yes, 50) then turn and start shooting:

Mikey's

Timberlea's

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I think since TimberLea makes more money than me, he should have to take a few more paces LOL

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timberlea @ 11/15/2008, 5:29 pm wrote:
Not sure who you've been talking to about ur health care it is neither free or efficient.

So you work hard and get well compensated and you think it's ok for the government to take more away from you so some lazy idiot can sit home and drink beer.

Exactly where did I say the working class were lazy. If one takes a job and knows the pay then why complain? You want a better job then do what you need to do to get it. There are programs out there and scholarships and bursaries for school etc. A lot of poor people have overcome their situations and made successes of themselves. But then it seems nowadays success is a four letter word and it satart in schools where no one is left behind and god forbid if you reward one child for a job well done because it might hurt the feelings of the others.

The ones on welfare or homeless who are ablebodied are definitately lazy and living off yours and mine taxes. Those who are physically or mentally handicapped is a whole other matter and the governent and charitable organizations should be involved to look out for their welfare.



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For those who begrudge rich people, the majority of them are rich because they work their tails off and put in the hours and in a lot of cases the cash. Corpoations employ millions of people and also give to a myriad of charities.

that statement seems to me to say that the harder you work the higher you go, and im trying to tell you that dont mean squat, otherwise our CEOs would be migrant Farm hands..You are sadly mislead if you think that everyone in power earned their way into it. Most company heads just kissed more (@$%&#!) to get where they are at. A lot were born into it as I have stated. Are you gonna tell me that Paris Hilton has earned the Hilton fortune???? Shes the one who gets it when daddy dies..You are just so preachy when you say that people work their asses off to get to the top. There are many ways to get there. Working hard is just the only way to be proud of.


Im gonna go out on a limb and take a wild guess that you are one of those "womans place is in the kitchen guys" so many have made the comment that welfare is disgracefull cause "ablebodied" people recieve it. Do you have any idea what it is like raising children in a 2 working parent household? It sucks, and on top of it, while both parents have to work to survive they must spend 1/3 of their pay on daycare. Its easy for a guy like you to judge those who recieve assistance, but i would rather give my hard earned money to an American on hard times , than a country who disrepsects us for liberating them. You can talk about all the wasteful spending in welfare that you want as your corporatations use their extra money to go to Africa and save a culture that cant get out of their own way. The same with the Middle East and our war dollars. You obviously are from a different country because you act so cold about helping those in trouble. I have never been on welfare, but i am on State assisted healthcare. I racked up 4000 dollars in bills before i was accepted on it. Thats a third of what i take home. Without the assistance, the heart meds i take now would be too expensive and i would die. But i i suppose i shouldnt count on my neighbors to help me out. I should just die with dignity and save the rich tax payers a little money.

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timberlea @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:29 am wrote:
New rule anyone who makes over $30,000 a year must give the excess away. Will that make you happy Dumbdrums?

We all know how well the government takes care of our money.


Nobody is advocating communism or socialism here.

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Then go for the system that treats everyone equally, crappy accomadations, lousy ration book and $15.00 a month.


A totally capitalistic society would be anarchy too. Uncontrolled capitalism is as repressive to the people as a dictatorship or fascism. The reason is simple, people are greedy by human nature. That very greed is part of the reason we are in the economic mess we are in. We are looking for some kind of middle ground that is beneficial for everyone.

I hear you talking about what's wrong with our country and what's going to happen next, timberlea, but please, why don't you tell US what we need to do in order to attain your Utopian society. You seem to be an expert on the subject.

I'm all ears.


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