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Jian
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:52 pm |
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Boatman @ 18th November 2008, 11:23 am wrote: Jian @ Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:24 pm wrote: Wow, another interesting thread. I need to read those back pages since I last past here. I saw that you had posted last here Jian, and I thought, oh no, another locked thread. Then only to see that you want to go back and read it all We might not all agree, but everyone here is playin pretty nice. Maybe I shouldn't break out the beer yet though...... Enjoying it all anyway......thanks
No, no, no; this one is good. some post have very nice colour added; the usual micky Vs Tim posts even have humor in it. ml_texas paragraph is double post
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Charmin_Gibson
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:13 pm |
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Joined: Sun May 23, 2004 10:32 am Posts: 7385 Images: 8 Location: Out West Been Liked: 47 times
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lordairgtar @ Mon 17 Nov, 2008 4:22 pm wrote: BlueStainedShoes @ Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:36 pm wrote: Okay, it's time to put a stop to this nonsense!! Take these, stand back to back, walk 50 paces (yes, 50) then turn and start shooting: Mikey'sTimberlea's Is there some hidden message there, Blue?
(was it hidden very well?)
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:56 pm |
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Mikey, I appreciate your situation. There are not too many men who would care enough for their kids to do what you are doing. I really respect your reason for being stuck in that small town. Yet, my friend, I have to suggest to you that, you made your choice of your own free will. If you were in a larger town, you could very well be making a very nice salary given your education and IQ level.
I know life is hard, I have been down that same road myself. I chose to do much the same thing to be close to, and raise my daughter when she was 9. Times were hard in a small West Texas town. I would work at whatever job I could find for a while, and try to substitute teach when I could. I drove to a neighboring city to take classes at a local university to finish my certification process. My daughter and I both suffered for a few years, but the day came, when I was able to go get a better job. I never once blamed the government for not supplying affordable insurance for myself or especially for my kid. I have always felt that those responsibilities were mine not the governments. They did not take me to raise. I am in a country where the American dream is always a possibility. Anyone can rise above the place they are in if they work at it.
I am not putting you or your situation down. Mikey, I have a renewed respect for you after hearing your story. I really feel for you and your situation, and I am well aware that you did not relate your story looking for someone to say, "Poor Mikey! Bless his heart, he has such a tough life." No, you were only trying to make a point, and it is well taken. I just can't justify picking on the wealthy just because we are not one of the "silver spoon" crowd. To me, we all want to achieve that kind of success. That, to me, is the American way! I dont call it greedy, I call it being a dreamer and an entrepreneur, in a free country, where free enterprise is not only welcomed, but encouraged. We teach our kids at school never to settle for status quo but to rise to meet every challenge, set your goals high, and attain every one of them.
I also understand there are many people in our country who feel that there is no way they will ever get out of the situation they are in. I agree there are people who for one reason or another, are pretty well stuck in their situation, due to, most often, lack of education, yet other reasons do exist. Many of these people are actually products of their own doing. Not all of them, I realize that. We have many people in this world who chose to live in their poverty. I know of several people who live on the streets who are well capable of becoming successful. Instead, they prefer to live on handouts and welfare. I have a tough time with these people having access to the funds they receive. I certainly dont think we should give them insurance to go along with their nice welfare checks. There are many of these people who were once engineers and professors, and businessmen who have just chosen to live the lives they live to avoid the "rat race."
Then you have those who just would not learn when they had the chance. Rebellion in school and rebellion in their home with their parents brought them to quit school thinking they would make their own way no matter what anyone said. Now you find them, uneducated, with 4 or 5 kids and they cant make ends meet. Again, they are products of their own doing. I dont feel obligated to help them. They would not help themselves when they could.
I dont find that the wealthy has had anything to do with the failure of any of these folk. I must add right here that I dont necessarily agree with the tax code we are stuck with. I do like the idea of a flat rate across the board for all Americans. I have no problem with that. I just dont think we should target one group over another to tax more heavily than others. There seems to me, to be a fine line of balance in our economy where extreem care should be taken and not to swing a pendilum hard the other way for fear of everything falling apart. I do believe we need some form of re-structuring. But I am not really for picking on the wealthy to get the job done, and I am just a poor Texas teacher.
The cold hard fact of life is, there are those like Paris Hilton who will always be on top because she was born into the right family. Whether anyone thinks she should have any rights or not is beside the point. She carries the name by birth and that gives her leverage. She wont have to struggle to survive. Fair? Maybe, maybe not, but the way I see it, her dad paid a price to get the family wealth built on his name. That should account for something. What he does with it and who he gives it to is his business, not mine. I just realize I wont see any of it! That is ok! I am searching for my dream! Hang in Mikey! Yours will come true if you keep going after it and believing in it! That is the American way! Nationalizing health care and taking money from the rich to give to the poor is not free enterprise nor is it in line with our Bill Of Rights guaranteed in the Constitution. To do those things, any way you slice it, is nothing short of socialism. You are an educated man, I challenge you to read The Trial and The Castle by Franz Kafka! These set the stage for a clear understanding of what happens when lives of individuals become controlled by Nationalizing peoples lives. Good luck my friend! You are a good man Mikey! We may not agree, but you are a good man!--Mike ( I really hope this novel does not double post! If it does, I hope one of the moderators will just delete it! )
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dumbdrums
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:51 pm |
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Thanks ML...I just want to clarify that i believe there are a lot and I mean a LOT of wealthy people that are angels in our society. Were it not for the charity of some of them, our country would be a mess. Warren Buffet is a class act. If more wealthy people would follow his lead, our country would heal a lot faster. What I refer to in my mean spirited tone are the parachute guys. The ones that made a provision that if the company fails under their command, they are guaranteed a huge bonus as the shareholders walk away with nothing..THOSE are the creeps that I feel should pay more in taxes. The ones who are gonna walk away rich men, win or lose, at the end of the day. And sad to say, it is their greed and corruption that should be punished at the nicer wealthy mans expense. As far as my deal, believe me you are not the first to say it is in my control to walk away. I just casnt explain the love I have for my son that i cant do that. I lost my dad at the age of 9 and that is my sons age now (actually 10) and my life was ruined by having a void in my life. Yes I would still be alive, but my son is not a "phone call is ok" kind of kid. He hurts right now. After long years of misery, i finally left his mother (because everyone told me it was the "right thing to do" and not to worry about my sons emotions) and after 2 years, he is just now healing even though i see him every day. Some kids are emotionally fragile and need to be shown that their parents love them. I am not a tough love guy. And if through tears, my son asks me not to move, than no matter how many people say its my fault for staying, I will stay. Because at the end of the day, we are rich or poor, but no man knows the power of the reward of God handing you a life made from a piece of you to take care of forever, as what truly makes a man fulfilled and his life meaningful.
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dumbdrums
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:51 pm |
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Thanks ML...I just want to clarify that i believe there are a lot and I mean a LOT of wealthy people that are angels in our society. Were it not for the charity of some of them, our country would be a mess. Warren Buffet is a class act. If more wealthy people would follow his lead, our country would heal a lot faster. What I refer to in my mean spirited tone are the parachute guys. The ones that made a provision that if the company fails under their command, they are guaranteed a huge bonus as the shareholders walk away with nothing..THOSE are the creeps that I feel should pay more in taxes. The ones who are gonna walk away rich men, win or lose, at the end of the day. And sad to say, it is their greed and corruption that should be punished at the nicer wealthy mans expense. As far as my deal, believe me you are not the first to say it is in my control to walk away. I just casnt explain the love I have for my son that i cant do that. I lost my dad at the age of 9 and that is my sons age now (actually 10) and my life was ruined by having a void in my life. Yes I would still be alive, but my son is not a "phone call is ok" kind of kid. He hurts right now. After long years of misery, i finally left his mother (because everyone told me it was the "right thing to do" and not to worry about my sons emotions) and after 2 years, he is just now healing even though i see him every day. Some kids are emotionally fragile and need to be shown that their parents love them. I am not a tough love guy. And if through tears, my son asks me not to move, than no matter how many people say its my fault for staying, I will stay. Because at the end of the day, we are rich or poor, but no man knows the power of the reward of God handing you a life made from a piece of you to take care of forever, as what truly makes a man fulfilled and his life meaningful.
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dumbdrums
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:52 pm |
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HAHAHAHAHAH you jinx'd me with the double post ML, you little rascal !
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:59 pm |
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Mikey, I have a lot of respect for you after reading your last post because you are exactly right in regard to your son. Good luck my friend and I hope you are rewarded far above your wildest dreams in the future. Your son does need you and there is no other place to be than where you are. Even though you have the control in your hands, you are definitely making the right choice. I would do exactly the same thing. You are a good man, and for the record, I have little use for the corporate big wigs that set up stockholders to fail so that they pocket billions. Enron proved that those guys should pay for their crime to society, and to me, that is what that sort of behavior is. There is a huge difference in those guys and in the ones who are trying to take care of big business without putting anymore harm on the small guy than is necessary. --Mike
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ml_texas
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:00 pm |
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Mikey, I have a lot of respect for you after reading your last post because you are exactly right in regard to your son. Good luck my friend and I hope you are rewarded far above your wildest dreams in the future. Your son does need you and there is no other place to be than where you are. Even though you have the control in your hands, you are definitely making the right choice. I would do exactly the same thing. You are a good man, and for the record, I have little use for the corporate big wigs that set up stockholders to fail so that they pocket billions. Enron proved that those guys should pay for their crime to society, and to me, that is what that sort of behavior is. There is a huge difference in those guys and in the ones who are trying to take care of big business without putting anymore harm on the small guy than is necessary. --Mike
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knightshow
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:07 am |
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I'm STILL cracking up on the fact that the big three want a bailout for forcing people to want to buy their big gas hog SUVs, Trucks and Humvees...
Course I heard from a coworker that nearly all Americans want a fuel efficient vehicle during high gas prices, but don't care when they're low like they are now.
I just laugh at the hugh expenses the American car makers (and the overseas ones too) that went into research and developement for electric cars, only to have them crushed in the late nineties and earlier this decade.
GM has the plans to do the EV1... MAKE them available for sale!
Ford had the RangerEV... SELL it!
Toyota had the RAV4EV... SELL IT!!!
Here's something some may not know... the $750 million bailout? There's some pork hidden it for the Tesla... only electric cars that have a 4KW rating (AND ONLY MADE BY A MANUFACTURER, not homebuilt ones) get a credit on taxes for up to $7,500! And like the Prius, it only applies until they sell so many until the credit goes down and down.
And now it looks like the heavily impacted GM won't even RELEASE the Volt due to their heavy losses!
There are garage enthusiasts that are converting cars and even making their own from scratch! Spare parts, foam and fiberglass...
http://www.sunrise-ev.com/
http://www.rqriley.com/doran.html
Here's a picture of it:
http://www.rqriley.com/imagespln/d-leftside.jpg
and R.Q. Riley's got a hybrid that's a feasible production module. Several on the road already.
http://www.rqriley.com/xr3.htm
http://www.rqriley.com/images_xr3/xr3_012908_3.jpg (pic's too big for here)
I heard on another site that there are over 48,000 electric vehicles on the road. Most of them NEV (Neighborhood Electric Vehicles) that go under 25 miles per hour... but many go much more!
The zap electric vehicles will go up to 40mph!
The new Ford Th!nk cars are fully crash tested and are highway legal.
hybrid technologies has conversions of the Mini-cooper, the PT Cruiser... pretty expensive, but they ARE realities.
There are a wealth of them coming, such as the Phoenix Motorcar'sSUT and car.
Mitsubishi's IMEV, Subaru's R1E, Daimler's SmartEV, the weird airplane-looking Aptera, the TANGO (the one George Clooney owns), the E-box (the one Tom Hanks ownes)...
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Boatman
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:36 am |
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ml_texas @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:06 am wrote: lol I hate it when I double post! My keyboard at school has a tendency to stick! I think that is why it is happening. I sure would like to quit doing it though. Sorry everyone! It is bad enough to read what I write the first time without having to see it twice!
Sorry Mike, I have to strongly disagree.........
I think the stuff you write certainly deserves a second read! Keep double posting,
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