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karyoker
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 Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:01 pm |
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Awhile back there was a thread on system photos. I couldnt find these they were still on the camera and I looked b4 deleting all.
This system is better than average and I have setup in many halls, bars and outside and can setup in new venue in a min amount of time. It is a light portable system. Latest addition is a 21" lcd stage monitor.
This is a typical setup and will start with the rack.
Cfx12 mixer mixer
rack top - bottom power conditioner, dbx266 compressor, lexicon mpx 500, alesis microverb 4, bbe 363, aphex 104
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station. I did have a 2 unit comp mount but run out of rack space temp in tower. The rack normally sets next to the wall away from customers.
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stage 2 jbl eon g2's the eon 10 monitor is faced towards the stage in this venue. This was a first time setup and note the absence of cables.
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When did you make the switch to the CFX?
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karyoker
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:30 pm |
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Quote: When did you make the switch to the CFX?
I think in July.. My host is still intimidated with it!!
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karyoker @ Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:30 pm wrote: Quote: When did you make the switch to the CFX? I think in July.. My host is still intimidated with it!! Well it is a nice stepup from the DFX, but the main (useable) differences lie in the channel eqs (much better) primarily & then routing through the subgroups. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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karyoker
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:04 pm |
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Quote: Well it is a nice stepup from the DFX, but the main (useable) differences lie in the channel eqs (much better) primarily & then routing through the subgroups.
Yea it is a lot easier to get a good over all gain and the EFX are easier to control I didnt realize how beatup and bad the old DFX was until I got this adjusted right. I love the main inserts out. I have them routed thru the BBE 362 and Aphex 104.
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mckyj57
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OK, I'll put one up. Here is my personal system, the one I use when gigging at friends houses or volunteer events. A Yammy MG166CX mixer with a DriveRack PA for EQ, a Lexicon MX200 for effects, and (normally, out in this photo) a Behringer EQ1502 for rolling off low end on FX and equalizing the monitor feed. Add amp and speakers to taste -- I use various combos.
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Lonman
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:12 pm |
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I have to get new shots, I don't have anything current. Will try tonight.
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here is mine again. I know it's not as impressive as Karyoker's but it does the job.
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mckyj57 @ Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:35 pm wrote: OK, I'll put one up. Here is my personal system, the one I use when gigging at friends houses or volunteer events. A Yammy MG166CX mixer with a DriveRack PA for EQ, a Lexicon MX200 for effects, and (normally, out in this photo) a Behringer EQ1502 for rolling off low end on FX and equalizing the monitor feed. Add amp and speakers to taste -- I use various combos. Mckyj57, I don't understand why you are using the Lexicon unit for effects or the Behringer for rolling off low end ... doesn't the Yamaha do all that?
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:13 am |
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knightshow @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:03 am wrote: mckyj57 @ Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:35 pm wrote: OK, I'll put one up. Here is my personal system, the one I use when gigging at friends houses or volunteer events. A Yammy MG166CX mixer with a DriveRack PA for EQ, a Lexicon MX200 for effects, and (normally, out in this photo) a Behringer EQ1502 for rolling off low end on FX and equalizing the monitor feed. Add amp and speakers to taste -- I use various combos. Mckyj57, I don't understand why you are using the Lexicon unit for effects or the Behringer for rolling off low end ... doesn't the Yamaha do all that? It does effects, but the Lexicon's are much better. I have four presets I use that I can just switch to with a dial, so I can give the right type of effect based on the song -- normal, traditional country, rock ballad (i.e. Journey) and oldies.
As far as rolling off the low end on the FX send, I don't think it does. I heard pros on the live sound groups talking about not sending frequencies below 3K to the effects processor, and that it added greatly to the clarity of the vocals. I found that to be true, so started doing it when I could.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:36 am |
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I pull all the mids and lows out of the reverbs too when live. It's something I picked up when playing in bands and leaning over the shoulders of pro sound providers. It really cleans things up and gives the vocals a sheen. I go about it a bit differently by using only programmable reverb boxes and doing the EQ rolloff in them.
Mckyj57 I have a question too. What are you using for a rack? I didn't think that there were any that size that were also deep enough to accommodate a Yamaha MG.
I still haven't bought that mixer for my portable system yet, hence my query. Also is the channel compression on those new Yamahas good enough? There's no settings on it so does it clamp down fast enough when someone *ahem* screams?
(If anyone's upset about this hijack my apologies and I will delete and move to Technical...)
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mckyj57
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:27 am |
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Bill H. @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:36 am wrote: I pull all the mids and lows out of the reverbs too when live. It's something I picked up when playing in bands and leaning over the shoulders of pro sound providers. It really cleans things up and gives the vocals a sheen. I go about it a bit differently by using only programmable reverb boxes and doing the EQ rolloff in them.
Mckyj57 I have a question too. What are you using for a rack? I didn't think that there were any that size that were also deep enough to accommodate a Yamaha MG.
That is one I got at guitaraudio.net (who sells on EBay) for $175.00. It has a 12-space top rack and it was supposed to be a four-space below. Turns out it was 5-space. The MG166CX specs a 12-space requirement, but I think it will fit in an 11-space which I am planning on buying. I don't know what I will do if it doesn't fit. 8-\ Quote: I still haven't bought that mixer for my portable system yet, hence my query. Also is the channel compression on those new Yamahas good enough? There's no settings on it so does it clamp down fast enough when someone *ahem* screams?
I think it works great. I turn it up to 2 oclock for screamers, otherwise run at midrange. It isn't as flexible as a real compressor, of course, but combined with the compresssion of the DriveRack I find the sound is very good.
The only thing I have seen that is bad with the compressor is if you hit a really high peak you can get a mechanical buzzing sound like clipping. I don't quite know what that is, but if you keep your trim reasonable that usually doesn't happen.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:31 am |
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On mine the mic inserts are routed to the Dbx266xl then to the Lexicon and returned, in other words vocals only on the lexicon.
EFX send it routed thru an Alesis Microverb 4 Depending upon the music 198 Warm plate with a slow stereo chorus is used or bass. One example is Folsom Prison Blues. I can slap the bass with the right timing and decay and rock it. The other extreme is female duets and use 199 which is Bright Room with a Thick Stereo Flange. Reverbs work best with bass...
The main inserts are routed thru a BBE 363 and an Aphex 104. These are used mainly for older recordings but add to all vocal and music. The 363 smooths out harmonics and separates the different instruments and freq bands The 104 actually pulls the vocals out of the mud. The big bottom increases the lower bass without taxing the speakers ans is an absolute must for the oldies. I have a demo where I turn all the efects off and bypass the procs and turn all back on and blow minds It is the difference between night and day
The secret is having a decent structure gain throughout and not running full unity into any proc. People will saturate a proc and say OH all they do is screw it up. When adjusted right a proc will not process unless it is needed.
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Thanks for your input and reply mckyj. Apparently the Mackie I'm looking at isn't yet available and I've always liked the layout of those Yamahas (except for their depth) so if I want it on this year's books... well I'm thinkin'....
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homeplateBG
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:15 am |
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I use the CFX too. Got it about two months ago. Yes, intimidating indeed. But once you get used to it, it really is an awesome board. The EQs are so sensitive.
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mckyj57 @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:13 am wrote: knightshow @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:03 am wrote: mckyj57 @ Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:35 pm wrote: OK, I'll put one up. Here is my personal system, the one I use when gigging at friends houses or volunteer events. A Yammy MG166CX mixer with a DriveRack PA for EQ, a Lexicon MX200 for effects, and (normally, out in this photo) a Behringer EQ1502 for rolling off low end on FX and equalizing the monitor feed. Add amp and speakers to taste -- I use various combos. Mckyj57, I don't understand why you are using the Lexicon unit for effects or the Behringer for rolling off low end ... doesn't the Yamaha do all that? It does effects, but the Lexicon's are much better. I have four presets I use that I can just switch to with a dial, so I can give the right type of effect based on the song -- normal, traditional country, rock ballad (i.e. Journey) and oldies. As far as rolling off the low end on the FX send, I don't think it does. I heard pros on the live sound groups talking about not sending frequencies below 3K to the effects processor, and that it added greatly to the clarity of the vocals. I found that to be true, so started doing it when I could. Just roll the returns beack into a channel & do the cuts on the channel eq. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:40 pm wrote: mckyj57 @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:13 am wrote: knightshow @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:03 am wrote: mckyj57 @ Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:35 pm wrote: OK, I'll put one up. Here is my personal system, the one I use when gigging at friends houses or volunteer events. A Yammy MG166CX mixer with a DriveRack PA for EQ, a Lexicon MX200 for effects, and (normally, out in this photo) a Behringer EQ1502 for rolling off low end on FX and equalizing the monitor feed. Add amp and speakers to taste -- I use various combos. Mckyj57, I don't understand why you are using the Lexicon unit for effects or the Behringer for rolling off low end ... doesn't the Yamaha do all that? It does effects, but the Lexicon's are much better. I have four presets I use that I can just switch to with a dial, so I can give the right type of effect based on the song -- normal, traditional country, rock ballad (i.e. Journey) and oldies. As far as rolling off the low end on the FX send, I don't think it does. I heard pros on the live sound groups talking about not sending frequencies below 3K to the effects processor, and that it added greatly to the clarity of the vocals. I found that to be true, so started doing it when I could. Just roll the returns beack into a channel & do the cuts on the channel eq. I tried that, didn't seem quite the same somehow. Of course it was a year ago, so I will try listening again -- my ear keeps getting better.
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:14 am |
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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:19 am |
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 Nice Mixer! Since i know that you used to use a Mackie -CFX and i purchased one on your recommendation, and am very happy with it, I wondered if your new Mackie -VLZ is really noticecibly better in its XDR pre-amps for its vocal channels as it is advertised to be? Also, Do you miss not being able to combine or layer vocal effects with your outboard processor since the new mixer has none built in?
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