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Ripman, I used to be a training mgr too. And you are 100 percent spot on! I have been KJing for 10 years or so and I still have many "dumb" questions to ask. This forum is the prime place to ask and I hope you continue to do so. I' have actually learned alot by watching a few of your posts and seeing the replies. What others need to understand is that they are not only educating the person who asks the question but 100's of others who either dont know that they did not know or were afraid to ask.

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IM 6-3 I always figure that if the horn diaphram in line of sight when i stand in front of the speaker its about right. Meaning that the center of the horn is at about 6 ft. you want the horn to broadcast over the heads of your dancers..

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Thanks guys. You've been very helpful. Funny about the training, I've been in meetings with someone else presenting and I know the answer to the question that others aren't asking and I know they don't know so I ask anyway.

Rude and childish? OK, you are all defending the old saw that "there is no such thing as a stupid question". I don't subscribe to that party line.

I am of the opinion that you don't really learn by asking. You just learn to ask. You learn by researching and *answering* questions -- both for yourself and others -- and being corrected if you are wrong. Plus you discover other things in the process of researching the question.

Ask yourself this question -- do the people who seem to know the most ask lots of questions? The answer is no, not usually. They may ask a few, but they ask a lot less than they answer. The people who ask a lot never seem to know. If I am looking for someone to hire, and I know them perhaps from some other interaction, the last person I will consider is the person who constantly asks simple questions. They don't learn as fast or as well because they don't search and learn other things in the process.

When you ask a lot of questions where the answer is as plain as the nose on your face before you ask, then perhaps you would be better served if you were told that you should look a little harder before you ask. In this case, you look at the speaker and there is this horn-shaped opening on it. So you ask what the horn is? Also, logic will tell you that someone wouldn't tell you to put the horn above the heads if that was at the bottom of the speaker, they would say put the speaker above the head. So it is blindingly obvious on two levels, yet there is no such thing as a stupid question? Well, in my opinion, there is. This is obviously an unpopular opinion with some. If it is rude and/or childish to state my opinion, so be it.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I subscribe to the "only stupid question is the one that never gets asked." I also don't think it is even nice to point out what you may think as a stupid question. Posters should feel free to post their questions or answers without having to fear being flamed for it.

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The Line Array Experiment is over. Nothing to see here. Move along.

With this concise simple statement I established the most important paramater in speaker height , then gave a simple clinic in speaker placement.In latter posts I established and gave the reasons for this height. I relied upon the reader to deduce the fact that if there was SRO or a heavy crowd the the word "minimum" should be construed as a parameter and starting point , not as an exact measurement.

If you want an engineering analysis I can provide this also at $200/hour. I have 6 decades of experience in installing about every system there is including antenna, intercom, close looped tv, communication and all all types of public address systems. There is nothing complicated about sound systems and I still charge about $200 to install a jukebox sound system. When done there is a complete and even dispersal of sound from one end of the bar to the other.

I am reticent to give much tech advice on this forum anymore because each simple statement is over anaylized and challenged by those with guesses, whereas my statements come from many years of experience and formal training. As with all threads on this forum it turned into an ego related personal childish confrontation which I find insulting and have long since grown tired of.

In summation I again refuse to engage in your childish arguments and guesses but offer statements of truth and provide advice which I used to charge big bucks for. Simply because there are some here that use these facts to enhance their systems or for other reasons. In the meantime stick it in your ear and break it off

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mcky, you basically said I was wasting your time in one of your earlier posts yet it looks like you just spent 10 times as much time trying to prove your point in your last post. Get over it, I did. I'll still ask questions, I will still use resources available to learn faster. You have your way, I have mine. Let's move on. I was going to learn what a horn was no matter how I went about it and I was going to "learn" just as "good" having someone confirm what I already thought vs. googling it, or going to the library or whatever to figure it out. I'm done posting on this, I came to this site to learn, not debate how to "learn".

Despite some "un"popular opinion, the quickest way to learn is not through trial and error. The quickest way to enhance your personal knowledge, is through asking questions to build upon your understanding of a subject. Use what you already know and build upon it by asking, stealing (not literally), acquiring, the knowledge of others who are most experinced at whatever you have to do, to get the best understanding possible. All the while, you are experimenting on your own and coupling that with your increased knowledge.

Just to illustrate, the best racecar drivers, drive their cars all along but continuously absorb by watching learning and listening to their more experienced elders, til one day, they are the elder. The same goes for teachers and students, blacksmiths and apprentices, etc.

You take everything you know, all of your experience, and you build upon that with those who know more or have more experience and pretty soon....you're a pretty smart guy!

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TO ALL:
Never be Afraid to ask a question , once twice or thrice until you are satisfied and understand the answer. That's what these technical forums are about.
That being said if you looked at the speaker and see a HORN looking thingyamajigy
That's probably the horn.

The worse thing is people that ask questions and KNOW the answer but want to answer their own question to prove how smart they are.

Correct! Thats precisely what a Karaoke Technical Question forum is for, to ask questions. Why even post a response if you choose not to give a relevant answer to the question proposed.

Never assume that someone knows the answer just because you do, what may seem obvious to you may or may not to another.

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Wow, someone pee in your cheerios karyoker?

The sound seems to be more directional at the low end. I often don't hear upper mids and highs because the side dispersion is narrower or the speakers are too high. If monitors aren't used the singer may not hear themselves. Some KJs aim them inward. I have a tendency to take the stands and lower the horn around head height and back off on the power. My other instinct is to put them against the wall or in a corner if possible but that may pose feedback problems. I've opened a leg on a stand and have seen a patron crowned due to space issues. Maybe a few things to consider.

This is obviously written by someone who has no children or has never had any around him constantly asking the question WHY! and when you give them the answer they repeat WHY! Everyone learns by asking questions. Some people do not recognize what a horn, tweeter, woofer, or other such things are. Some things are not as plain as the nose on your face and if they did we wouldn't have to worry about a lot of things that go on in the world.... as for researching for the answer before asking sometimes it is easier to ask than research such as:

Question: Gee what happens if I stick this screwdriver into a wall socket.
Would be easier to ask instead of sticking it in and finding out.

I know that sound a little over the top but there are lots of questions better asked before research is done.

L.W.

Good example. I use the 5 Why as a lean tool at work. Kids do it naturally.