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has anyone used these programs?

I saw one like this at make-your own-karaoke dot com and there are otehrs out there.

they sound great if they do in fact work!

Karaoke Music Maker Software can remove or reduce the vocals from any song
on your computer or from any music CD.

Works with files of any audio format (MP3's too) on a WINDOWS PC or MAC.

any feed back please?

Kev

Hi Kev welcome to the forum as to vox removing software, they are many and varied. All will do some reduction but the total success actually depends on the recording not on the software.

first it should be a wav file or at the very least an mp3 of as high a bitrate as possible...128 simply will not be good enough it needs to be as high as possible.

next it will depend on how much residual reverb is left on the track once the software has removed the vox...the drier the orig vocal, the more sucess you will have

and third it will depend on what else is in the middle of the track eg, drums and bass...you may also be looking at a track devoid of drums and bass as well

good luck with it.

I have some extremely successful tracks that a dear friend made me from devocalising, but he uses a 3 or 4 step/software process and if I told you what those steps were, I would have to kill you

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Oh my, I remeber when I was new to this. Eager and excited as you are.
I tried them all, except for the Thompson Vocal Eliminator!

Do They Remove The Vocal Tracks? YES!
Sound Quality: 99.99% of the Time - ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!

Do they REDUCE the vocal? YES
Very, Very Few tracks come out where the vocal tracks is VERY LOW.
MOST tracks when lowered... Other Instruments are removed.
Result: YUCK!

If I had a chance to do the "Vocal Removal" thing all over again...
I'D SAVE MY MONEY

THEY SIMPLY DON'T WORK!!!!

sw00000p

the thing to remember is in a stereo removal of vocals, all it does is lower the midrange about 20%... that will remove some instruments as well... it just depends on how the file was recorded originally.

99% of the time, it just doesn't work, or work well enough to play for the public use!

AMEN!

thats want i wanted to know.

thanks all for the answers

Some karaoke decks can do weird things with diy voc removal. Some will zap everything but some low frequencies or even zap everything while others are just fine.

You'd do that to a friend?

Oh my, I remeber when I was new to this. Eager and excited as you are.


Swoop you really need to listen before making such general statements. I will put up a track that I created with just adobe auditions vox removal...yes there is a residual echo but it is still usable then I will switch to a track that my friend created for me and you will see that with the right software and a person who knows what he is doing then sucessful tracks can be created...not with every track but with a goodly number. I will sub this medley of two tracks under Listen only any comments as to the quality of the backing is welcome.

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I subbed a medley of two, one is just using the devox in adobe the 2nd one was done by someone who knows what they are doing. As you know Matt I am not a kj, I get paid to sing. I have used the pro quality one several times at venues and musicians have asked me who played on the backing. Not once did any of them think that it was a devocalised track.

If you think its a one off then pm me and I can send you many tracks done by the same guy that you would swear were original
robdog also does them from time to time...I have his version of romeo and juliet that is perfect

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for friends yeah...for someone I love like a brother, might be a different story

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I've worked with Robdog in the past on many of the ones we tried together to vocally remove. When he gives up on one, so do I! !

I'm QUITE curious of the ones you've been able to have done, however.

I have already said in my initial post that it doesnt work for all. But the tracks that my friend has done are normally excellent and of course they are songs that one would not normally find on cdg.
Tracks I have of his include...

Barbara Morrison - I know how to do it

Nina Simone - Do I move you

Debbie Davis - Cant live like this no more, Room with a view (and another couple I havent sung yet and cant remember the names of)

Randy Crawford - Rio de Janeiro Blue

and a couple of duets that I have yet to get to.

These are all songs that I am more than happy to use at gigs and have no qualms that anyone will know any different

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Actually it doesn't really just drop midrange (although that is wher most of the vocals lie), what a vocal eliminator does is search for exact frequency patterns on both the left & right channels & then cancels those frequencies. Since vocals are usually panned straight up, this is what the eliminator is trying to accomplish - however, many instruments are also panned straight up or close to it ie bass guitar, kick drum, snare drum, certain tom drums, often times a guitar solo, maybe some keyboard, etc. Leaving a music track seemingly empty. Very rare is a track recorded perfect enough for an eliminator to fully work correctly. The one I was using from MTU worked ok for some tracks and didn't do a thing for others. It did have some eq correction to enhance some of the lost instruments however that worked ok as well.

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Good singing. However it's not a fair comparison, the second song is recorded completely different originally than the first, in the 2nd I can hear the instruments right off the bat are not panned center so that in itself is where the difference lies. The vocals must have been so dead on center along with the reverb effect that they pulled out nicely. The first song you could hear more of the instruments were also pulled out as they are more center panned also the reverb effect is left completely intact - unless you just added a extra ordinary amount .

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in fact I used far less reverb on my vox than I normally do in the first one and let the residual vox ontrack act as my efx.

as far as it being different...well the difference is I used one piece of software for the first track and used it to accentuate the difference between my feeble devox effort and that of someone who knows what they are doing.

both recordings are done in the same way however, using the same mic and preamp and external m-audio fasttrack

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That's what I figured, there was enough residual from the original that you wouldn't have needed much, if any.



All I was saying is if you gave that first track to your friend, that he probably wouldn't have been able to do much better & that you probably could have achieved close to the same result as your friend did with the 2nd track. Since all vocal eliminators work on the same principle as far as how they achieve their goal. It's just a matter of what other options they have as far as re-eq'ing or pumping up some bass or whatever that could make a difference, but they all basically use the same technique as far a cross cancellation of like frequencies.

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well I think he would have achieved a much better result with the first track and I should ask him to do it just to prove a point...
but I had ripped the track at 128kbs and should really have ripped it as wav for it to be worth doing.
As to the 2nd track, he uses a process involving 3 different pieces of software and sometimes rebuilds the instruments by expanding upon an instrumental piece of the orig

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Where you can output a FEW songs that come out acceptable, I can produce a very large list of POPULAR HIT songs from all genres that won't come out acceptable.
(Because they don't meet the requirements... Too Much Reverb, Not Centered, etc.)

* A Newbie (Megabuff) asking if Vocal Removers Work!
* You mention a 'Secret Method' to where if you told them... You'd have to KILL    them.

Sticking to the question of "Do vocal removers, i.e. Vogone ect. work?"
RESULT: A couple of them acceptable out of Hundreds!

Megabuff Save Your Money!

sw00000p

Lon pretty much hit the nail on the head. It's just a matter how the recording was originally made, and vocal frequency and channels. However, in MOST cases, there WILL be either residual vocals and/or musical loss.


I would like to add one other thing. A way to test how any individual track will turn out is to take to your friendly neighborhood Karaoke Host. If he/she has professional equipment, chances are it includes onboard Vocal Cancel. Play the disc in VC mode. If you have residual vocals and/or musical dropout there, you'll have it with your software, which is usually less dependable than hardware.

If you're lucky enough to get full cancel without dropout, there's a good chance that the software may work for that track.

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