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I disagree ...I'm by no means a walking advertisement for Behringer but I do and have used their products in the past when I could save myself 50% of the cost. I would think that 95% of Karaoke singers wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a set up like yours and a complete BEHRINGER system with the same components and power rating. I'm not dissing your system as I know you have only Top Notch components and the knowledge to make it sound it's best ..But the truth is in a bar enviroment and everthing else being equal --the two systems could be made to sound very similiar....wouldn't say the Behringer would sound BETTER or have the longevity of your system. But a Behringer system could be a GREAT sounding system. BUILD Quality was and is the issue with BEHRINGER

I agree to disagree, however, it's not a matter of what the singers can tell IMO, it's a matter of what I can tell. I personally do not like the sound that Behringer gives compared to a better quality brand mixer (not even Mackie necessarily). "I" can tell a difference & to me that is all that matters. Our singers as a rule are better than average & maybe that is the reason - but then again maybe not.
I have worked with Behringer - even owned a couple (my bad after knowing better) & have worked with several others including Allen & Heath (no comparison), ther IS a substantial difference in sound quality & that is what I personally go for!

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Sounds like "the end" for Micky means brick-and-mortar stores in Quebec.

When zZounds or GC/MF drop them, at that point we will know they are on their way out. Until then, this is an exceedingly small data point from what I can see.

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Correct, keep in mind that I live in a smalll market compared to the US market And I do hope they'll stay alive, it doesn't mean I'll be a customer but we need these low prices...

Paradoxically, it seems that Mackie may be the hurting one for a while:

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/ ... ily15.html

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It doesn't mention that they automatically layed-off 90 people. They had a big layoff a few years ago when they decided to build speakers in Mexico. The company was sold to Loud by Greg Mackie in 2002.

The people down at GC started phasing Behringer out over a year ago because GC claimed Behringer wasn't honoring their warranties. That's typical of many companies run by tech-heads; it's never the product, it's always the user. Couple this with finance people making marketing decisions and you get a company on the death plane.
Too bad, they filled a niche for the little start-up market.

I don't see how a company can survive in a niche market in today's economy. If you look at Yamaha the #1 seller of audio, they produce many goods in many mass markets. The audio industry as a whole is suffering along with other industries. When a lean company like Toyota starts hurting you know there is something seriously wrong with the global economy.

Hey, I don't mean to drag up old issues, but I thought some of you might be interested in this. I talked to a sales rep yesterday about how Behringer is doing. Here's what he told me. Sales are down, just like every other manu out there, they aren't dead or dying at all. Behringer is a totally debt free company and it would take an absolutely huge tradegy for them to shut down. They are NOT trying to send their products to China or other places for assembly. They do NOT buy the "cheapest" parts they can find, they make almost all their own parts in Germany. Production is still very strong for them, and if you want to continue buying their equipment, they will honor the warrany if problems do exist. Some retailers have chosen to discontinue the Behringer line, that is their desicion, NOT a result of problems from Behringer's end.

Feel confident in Behringer and their products, they will be around a long, long time.
I do know there are some of you who do not like Behringer stuff for whatever reasons you have, but ALL brands have their "return" and "faulty" issues. Behringer does have a place in the market as a "good" (not high end) line of equipment, making it so that the average person can afford to start buying a satifactory set of sound equipment. I for one, use a lot of equipment from Behringer, and have had so few issues, that I am happy with their equipment, service and performance. And I will continue to purchase and use Behringer products.

Each of you will make your own decisions on your own views and opinions about Behringer. But "dont" make rash desicions based on fear or bias. They are a good company with a good reputation.

wow, if mrscott is right, this thread would be a perfect example of group think. i just didn't kno it could exist in cyberspace! the longer that thread got, the more convinced i was my 1202 would disintigrate before my very eyes. my behr 1202 has been just fine for what i need it for (mostly parties with friends), although a wider eq band would be nice. that being said, when it goes tango uniform, i will get a much better one to see what all the hub-bub is about. i have a feeling most of us don't have an ear like lonman's so it will be interesting to see if anybody notices.

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Yeah I don't trust sales reps. Behringer HAS a factory in China, not sure where he got his info from.

Here's is a video of a tour of their China factory.
http://www.gearwire.com/behringerfactor ... older.html

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Lonman,,,

You and I definitely disagree on on our views of Behringer products. I have had a great experience with all of my Behringer equipment. I am sorry you have had some issues with yours, but that does not mean a person should "bash" something just because you have a couple of problems. I have used a lot of their stuff for over 4 years with so little issues, I look forward to purchasing other equipment. I do believe that you have a good ear for sound reproduction, and that your professionalism is first rate at your shows. But you have to admit to one thing here, the overwhelming majority of the people that attend our shows want to just have a good time and sing. They are not professional singers, only patrons. The level of equipment if it meets the needs of the general use and is a good sound, does it matter if it has the word "Behringer" on it? Probably not. Yes, I like other brands, but when other manu's can compete price wise, who knows what I might purchase then.

Behringer is NOT in trouble like some others out there would like us to believe. Almost all of the manufacturers are seeing down trends on sales, not just Behringer.
Besides I do believe my sales rep, he has no reason to mislead anyone. This guy is an honest man. Period.

Another note. Wishing you and everyone a very happy new year.

Actually it's not just the stuff i've owned, it's also stuff I hear from others around me & worked with from others. Usually it's just a channel or two that is dead - others have ranged from main outputs, eq's & effects processors dead or going out. I know several people that sell Behringer stuff at the local music stores and they all have told me that their return rate is the highest of any other brand usually due to something that is not working out of the box. That along with personal experiences & the many stories i've heard here & other forums - ESPECIALLY 'pro audio' forums leads me to stick with my opinion of them. Glad you are one of the lucky ones, as there are apparantly a handful that HAVE had luck with them.
Again, I don't buy equipment just to make it work, I want it to sound good & IMO opinion Behringer does not - would the average singer be able to tell, no maybe not, but that may be the difference of luring average singers from better than average singers to a show - no not all prima donnas, I do know horrid singers that fit this catagory as well. I do think people can tell a difference, whether it matters to them is a different story!
As far as believing your sales rep, he said they do not build in China - yet they HAVE a China plant, not sure how I COULD believe your rep?

Happy New Year as well!

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When I was a Kid my grandma gave me a fisher price tape player for christmas one year..It still worked when i Bought myself a nice boom box a year later, but i quickly realised it sounded like POO. to lonman or myself having Beringer equipment is about the same as having Fisher Price. The one exception being that I would trust the Fisher Price to continue to work poorly as long as i wished it to, everything Beringer ive ever used died at some point.

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so what up there mrscott, is there a plant in china or not? sure looks like there is one to me. is any of your info correct?

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FYI, Behringer is "designed" in Germany but "built" in China!

There is no such built in Germany for Behringer, never been and will never be It's the whole idea here, cheap labor

And let me question the "design" in Germany Behringer doens't design (R&D), they shop around to find what their looking for, apply the logo and they sign contracts based on volume From what I heard, Behringer is nothing but a marketing driven company

This means, you might have the same products built by different manufacture, but with the same look and logo

but in all honesty, Behringer is HARDLY unique in that you create it in one place, and manufacture them elsewhere.

Look on about ANYTHING you buy. Most are not made in America! TVs, stereos, shirts, hats, shoes, computer stuff, just about ANY kind of hardware is made in Mexico, Taiwan, and yes, China!

That's our wonderful outsourcing at work

Yep, my old 93 Trans Am had body parts made in Canada, motor hecho in Mexico, God knows where the interior was made, and was assembled in the good ole USA. Had 129k on it before an exhaust manifold bolt broke and it had to be put in the shop. You just never know sometimes. Rudy.

In my personal experince, I have 1 Behringer system that has been used and abused for 5 years, at least 2 nites a week in a smoke filled bar, and not one hicup/glitch/problem.

On my 2nd system, I did have a B300 powered speaker horn go bad after 5-10 hrs of use, and got a replacement on warranty with absolutely NO problem.

I know at least 15 other people in the "business" (Kj/Dj/bands/singers, ect...) That have equipment they are fixing/replacing (mackie, peavy, yahmaha bose to name a few).

The debate will gone one and on and on and on...
IS Behringer cheap china made crap?
IS Mackie/Yahama Overpriced????