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This could be a whole new standard in the audio business. It would be like "THX Approved" only it would be "CC Approved". It will let prospective buyer's know that the product they are buying has that little extra needed to get the mix out. Maybe there should be a button on the amp, the "CC" button. You could visually scan the patrons in the room and push the button when needed.(of course deluxe models would automatically do this for you) Quick, someone get the copyright. I wonder if we will see "CC" also being used on the license for the establishment in the future, you know like "Capacity 350" "CC Capacity 300". Ok, my brain hurts now.

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LondonLive @ Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:35 pm wrote:
This could be a whole new standard in the audio business. It would be like "THX Approved" only it would be "CC Approved". It will let prospective buyer's know that the product they are buying has that little extra needed to get the mix out. Maybe there should be a button on the amp, the "CC" button. You could visually scan the patrons in the room and push the button when needed.(of course deluxe models would automatically do this for you) Quick, someone get the copyright. I wonder if we will see "CC" also being used on the license for the establishment in the future, you know like "Capacity 350" "CC Capacity 300". Ok, my brain hurts now.


There are higher-end amps where you can pick the amperage output. Like a 1000 watt/8 Ohm/2 channel amp that is also selectable at 500 watts and 250 watts. Makes it so you can have one amp for many speaker configurations for different venues. Not that far off from the CC selector!!

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Did anybody mention distributed sound?

A speaker usually rated at 136dB SPL is usually at a specific frequency typically around the 40 Hertz range at 1 meter, but the sound energy dissipates inversely as the square of the distance. Higher frequencies aren't anywhere near that SPL at that range. Between standing waves and EQ'ing it's all a matter of what flavour your sonic soup is.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:26 pm 
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There are higher-end amps where you can pick the amperage output. Like a 1000 watt/8 Ohm/2 channel amp that is also selectable at 500 watts and 250 watts. Makes it so you can have one amp for many speaker configurations for different venues. Not that far off from the CC selector!!

You are correct, I have a Yamaha EMX5000-12 that has that feature. It can select between 500, 300 or 100 watts per side. I seldom get the occasion to use it any more but it is a very versatile mixer.

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LondonLive @ Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:32 pm wrote:
I already run 4,800 watts and I'm going to be doing a room in about three weeks that has me concerned. I expect roughly four hundred people and at this point I don't know the room lay out (I plan to investigate in the very near future). I'm seriously considering bringing in an additional 1,800 watt's for this gig (2 Yorkville U15P's). Power is the key to good sound, without power you could have the best of everything else and you are still going to be doomed to a night of frustration. Nothing sounds worse than a system that is trying to do more than it is capable of doing and nothing sounds better or is easier to run than a system with headroom to spare.



Whoah.......So you expect to run 6,600 watts? Where u playin dude....Madison Square Garden???


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Wiggly Dave @ Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:53 pm wrote:
LondonLive @ Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:32 pm wrote:
I already run 4,800 watts and I'm going to be doing a room in about three weeks that has me concerned. I expect roughly four hundred people and at this point I don't know the room lay out (I plan to investigate in the very near future). I'm seriously considering bringing in an additional 1,800 watt's for this gig (2 Yorkville U15P's). Power is the key to good sound, without power you could have the best of everything else and you are still going to be doomed to a night of frustration. Nothing sounds worse than a system that is trying to do more than it is capable of doing and nothing sounds better or is easier to run than a system with headroom to spare.



Whoah.......So you expect to run 6,600 watts? Where u playin dude....Madison Square Garden???


More power equates to full/clean sound at regular listening levels without having to really push the volume up to extremes. That wattage is not unreasonable for a 400+ person venue. I run 3600 watts for my 200 cap club.

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Lonman @ Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:52 pm wrote:
Wiggly Dave @ Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:53 pm wrote:
LondonLive @ Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:32 pm wrote:
I already run 4,800 watts and I'm going to be doing a room in about three weeks that has me concerned. I expect roughly four hundred people and at this point I don't know the room lay out (I plan to investigate in the very near future). I'm seriously considering bringing in an additional 1,800 watt's for this gig (2 Yorkville U15P's). Power is the key to good sound, without power you could have the best of everything else and you are still going to be doomed to a night of frustration. Nothing sounds worse than a system that is trying to do more than it is capable of doing and nothing sounds better or is easier to run than a system with headroom to spare.



Whoah.......So you expect to run 6,600 watts? Where u playin dude....Madison Square Garden???


More power equates to full/clean sound at regular listening levels without having to really push the volume up to extremes. That wattage is not unreasonable for a 400+ person venue. I run 3600 watts for my 200 cap club.


There is no substitute for headroom. :banger: Actually my main concern is coverage, that's why I need to get a look at the room.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:55 pm 
In regard to the size (sq ft) of a room, wouldn't the shape be more important - square vs long. Compare, say, a 100'x100' rm vs a 50' (wide) 200' (long) room (both 10000 sq ft). Is there a difference?


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