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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:10 am 
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Londonlive, it doesn't say Q7 anywhere, so I don't know if it is. I've used a Q7 at a bar and it was excellent. I'll try to look closer to see, but when I got it I couldn't tell.
I assume that's why you're asking? To know if it uses the Q7?

I'll look at it and see . . .


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Ok, I just looked at the handset. It doesn't say anywhere what element. It just says HT5 on the handset, but not on the mic element itself which has no writing at all.

One cool thing about this transmitter I just found out is that the element unscrews from the handset. When you pull it out, there are only 2 wires connecting it to a small circuit board below where it normally resides. This would be very easy to change out, except for one thing. You would have to rig the new mic element because you wouldn't be able to screw in like the original one does. That may not be a problem, I sometimes come up with unique and interesting workarounds when I want to do something.

On my Samson Concert Series II that I just got that has the SM58 element in the transmitter, I looked under the wire ball and the element has some white urethane or other plastic cushion material surrounding it for reducing the handling noise I suppose. That element looks like it would be easy to remove, but I haven't looked at it closely yet.


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stogie @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:10 pm wrote:
Londonlive, it doesn't say Q7 anywhere, so I don't know if it is. I've used a Q7 at a bar and it was excellent. I'll try to look closer to see, but when I got it I couldn't tell.
I assume that's why you're asking? To know if it uses the Q7?

I'll look at it and see . . .


Yes, I was thinking I read somewhere that you had a Q7 on your Samson, that's why I was asking. The Q7 is a very respectable element, you need not make any apologies to any one for using one and the Q8 element well more than hold it's own against the Shure Beta 58. I can say that because I own Beta 58's but have used the Q7's and the Q8's before. Hang in there.

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This is getting more and more interesting as I go deeper in to it. I unscewed the ball on my least favorite mic, the Behringer XM1800s and just pulled the element out of it. Under that is a rubber boot covering the base of where the element goes in for reducing handling noise. One white and one red wire to the switch. That's it, so simple I can't believe it. It's going to be so easy to do.

Now I don't know anything about different mics having different resistance, impedance etc., so I could probably screw things up, but I like to experiment and I have a soldering iron. :shock: We will see . . .


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Normal setup I have mic 1 & 2 and announce mic sent to sub 1. Mic 1 is non switched and mic 2 is muted on turned on for duets. Announce mic is muted when necessary.

I can tun wireless or wired and usually reserve wireless for situations that need it. For example at weddings, benefits or auctions. Some venues like to have a wirelees behind the bar for occasional announcements. I do have an Audio Technica for that.

To say I use ythis orf that depends upon the situation.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:00 pm 
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I looked at the handset that the SM58 is in and it unscrews too. The element says Dual impedance 38 or 150hms, Unidirectional Dynamic Made In USA. Below is a brass base plate that looks like it unscrews, but it's more difficult to do because of it's width which is 3/4" to 1" diameter. The black and white wires go through the base plate. The foam on top of the mic element disintegrated to dust when I touched it to try to remove it.

It looks like to me that this may be the original handset to this system, but I'm not sure.


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stogie @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:13 pm wrote:
Lonman, I said a reasonable price. If I can buy a dual wireless mic system for between $50-$100, then I would think they could manufacture the same basic thing without a microphone cartridge for about the same price and that should be more profitable for them than manufacturing and selling a regular wireless mic system. Heck, with all the wired mics out there, a company could make a fortune doing this.

The cheapest thing out there right now is the Azden 200XT, for about $200. The hard part is the battery on something small enough to be useful.

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I have confidence one of these low cost mic companies will figure this out and make an inexpensive product like what I'm talking about. I would think the mic element is one of the more expensive components in a wireless system. I've seen a Sennheiser transmitter that attaches to the end of a wired mic, but it was expensive. I imagine a pair of AAA batteries would be the way to go for something like that. I don't know how long they would last. Maybe the sized issue is why this hasn't become a common item?


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Lonman @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 2:56 am wrote:
stogie @ Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:20 pm wrote:
I hope some day a smart microphone manufacturer will come out with a base with transmitters that you can screw into wired mics that will allow you to convert them into wireless and do it for a reasonable price. Then I can turn my Sennheiser e835s into wireless mics. I would never use another wired mic again.


They already do
http://www.azdencorp.com/shop/customer/home.php?cat=15
But you not only need to buy the transmitter (plugin to the mic) but also the reciever making the total price in the price range of a decent Shure wireless to begin with.



AKG made a similar type of thing a few years ago. They worked well, but were VERY fragile. Mine lasted two weeks before a singer snapped it off trying to get the mic out of the mic holder.


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The Samson Airline 77 series also uses a plug in transmitter. The system comes with the ax1 transmitter, Q7 mic and CR77 receiver for about $260 (new). If you don't like the Q7, the ax1 plugs into any standard XLR mic and uses 1 AAA battery that lasts about 12-14 hrs. I'm using two of these, that I got used on ebay, plugged into a couple of Sennheiser e835's the singers love them, and they do sound good.


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Marble @ 30th January 2009, 10:06 pm wrote:
Under the boardwalk it is... now I understand the reasoning for setting it flat and i agree it would probably be easier to tell... but no reasonable karaoke show would do that... So i'll do it with some fx and eq and if we don't find that to be a fair test, i'll redo the experiement later on.


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Don't panic, I've done it with out any fx... just need the CD to copy the mini disc onto. :D


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Lonman @ Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:06 am wrote:
I'm just the opposite, as a host I am doing mostly talking & would use the cheaper mic (if I had one - use SM58's all around). I want the singers to sound as good as possible so they get the Shure mics first (knowing they are pretty much indestructable).


I've learned that almost all wireless don't cut it for vocals in the upper range. But there are a few numbers where vocals actually sound better with a wireless. Usually the cheaper the better. But for someone with a good range and voice it should be a pretty expensive wireless if not corded to do them justice.


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