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I have peavey 12 speakers...I got a 203g karaoke player...

I was looking at buying a Peavey XR600G Powered Mixer. Would this be fine to buy and use? Do I still need an amp?

Mainly for use at a bar and in an average size house for kids parties.

Thanks!

Buy a sperate mixer and amplifer. You will thank me later.

Much more contol, better setup, eaiser to upgrade. In the future if you find you need more power you can just buy a bigger amp.

Separate amp & mixer would be better, but yes that would work fine.

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that's basically what I am using ( xr600 g and peavey pr15 speakers ) and I have no complaints at all easy to set up and sounds great

I think that 150w/channel into 8 ohms matched to the 400W program power requirement of the speakers is going to make the system sound anemic.

I would strongly recommend the XR8600 instead.

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sorry mcky I don't want to start a argument but like I said this is basically the same system that I use the only differance is that he is using 12 inch peaveys and I use the 15 inch ones I get complimented on how good it sounds all the time

I can offer my opinion without creating an argument, I hope. As for you doing so, I am not as easily offended as some here.

Having run something near-equivalent myself, I find it sounds OK at lower volumes but has nothing like the headroom I would want for a bar gig. The moment it gets crowded, the sound is lost. If I give it 325w/channel, it has the headroom.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

would the Peavey XR 8300 Powered Mixer be better than the xr600? it's only 100$ more on my tight budget.

mcky i can't argue that the 8600 would be better just talking from my expirence and the cost factor as well

It would be better, but I think you would be well-advised to go with the XR8600 if you want to make a purchase that will last you for years. You won't be left wishing a year from now when your gig gets crowded.

Again, you may be happy with the XR8300. It is a question of how loud you need to get. If you don't think you'll ever play to a packed bar, then the XR8300 would probably work.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
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The mixer you suggest is alittle pricey..We only have the bar gig once a month.

If i could spend 400$ total on both then that would be great...Do you have suggestions on a mixer/amp that combined is 400$?

Audio 2000 AKJ7050. 180W per side. Later, if you need more power, you can run a signal from this to a larger amp and still use it to mix.


http://www.acekaraoke.com/ha2kam7050.html

This site shows a price of $568, but it can be found for under $400 - just a matter of looking.

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You can get an XR8600 for $484.00 with free shipping, new on Ebay. That is about as good as you are going to do new.

For $84.00 you can save yourself lots of future hassle. Unlike VocoPro and Audio 2000 units, it will have resale value if you get out of the business.

Your karaoke show is going to have a lot more value if you have enough power to rock the place when it is crowded. Personally, I would buy the Yamaha EMX512SC and then get help from people here adjusting it to use the eq, effects, and compression properly. Your sound will be great if you do that, or if you get the XR8600. If you buy some underpowered VocoPro or Audio2000 thing all your sound ever can be is OK and that is at its best.

I am a bit of a business consultant, and the worst thing you can do with a business is underinvest. That is what you would be doing, in my opinion.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

1 & 2) Micky, though they look similar, these two units should not be linked together. The Audio 2000 is a workhorse, and throws a slightly higher power rating than the VocoPro, is better priced, and tough as nails. And again, it has a preamp out to add a larger amp IF one is needed later. Keep in mind that I am taking the initial budget into consideration. It also offers ease of use for a beginner, which he is.

3) Owned a few successful businesses as well, and in my opinion, the WORST thing one can do when STARTING a business is OVER-invest. It only takes that much longer to start EARNING money, and that's assuming one is successful. If one fails, it's that much more lost in dead inventory. Resale value? For used karaoke equipment? I wouldn't sweat it.

IMHO, one should start well, but wait to build. This does NOT MEAN I condone buying junk. It means being careful with one's initial investment. One can always build up AFTER the initial investment has been returned....

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He is in no danger of over-investing.

With regard to resale value, you should know that is what makes something an investment. The XR8600 or EMX512SC is trivially resold on EBay for 70% of what you pay for it new. Good luck on that with the Audio 2000.....

If you don't have enough power, you won't have enough to make a karaoke gig rock. That is going to be one of your predictors for success, being able to provide punch on the sound. Now if he had a pair of Yamaha BR12 speakers which only need 200-300W and put out 123 max SPL, that would be a decent match for the XR600 or the Audio 2000. But the PR12s are going to sound much, much better with more power. I know, because I own Peavey speakers and they don't come alive until you give them juice. We have a *lot* of PR12 and PR15 shows around here, and the ones that sound good are attached to XR8600 and Soundcraft powered mixers. The ones that are attached to underpowered units like the Behringer PMP2000 don't sound good at all.

Speaking of which, make sure to get stands as speakers that are on the floor won't rock the gig either. Even if you decide to go with the lower powered rig, make sure you get your speakers elevated.

As far as a pre-amp out from the Audio 2000, that is no bonus in my opinion. One of the big downsides of using that unit is the DJ-style mixer with indifferent mic preamps and effects. (And yes, I have used Audio 2000 units. I own one -- a mistake I made before I knew better.)

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Thanks again for everyone's help!

I would have spent 400$ on the peavey xr600g BUT instead spent 484$ on the peavey 8600 on ebay!

So now, thanks to you guys i got:

Peavey 12 speakers
203g cavs
peavey 8600

Can't wait to use it!

Thanks!

1) Agreed, but it's enough for smaller venues, like those he mentioned ( how much power do you want for a kid's house party?), AND within his budget. He can also attach a powered sub or monitor to the monitor output for a little bit of extra kick if he needs it.


2) LISTEN to the man her, Sir! Nothing worse than floor speakers bouncing sound back off the bar or other furniture. You NEED those stands.


3) We're going to have to agree to disagree about the AKJ7050, Mick. I am fully aware that there are better units, but I believe that this will meet his needs. In addition, the unit has and Effector in/out, so he can add a non-powered board later if he so desires, as well as more power via a second amp. It's a nice starter and can be built on. We also disagree in regard to the sound.

We do that a lot Mick, but I DO respect your knowledge, and no ickys intended....

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Those are 200w/400w/800w and PV says 75% of white noise minimum, so 150w at 8 ohms would be the minimum amplifier you could use.

I like the 8600 too, but if you like sliders....it has twisters....

I also like component, so if one thing fails, you don't loose two or more stages of your setup. I do have an emx5016, so I guess I lied.... but I use it with other amps, like crown 602s....it all depends on the venue, how much they pay me, and how lazy I feel that day.