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Sounds just like my area. In fact tonight we had three singers most of the night at the early part of our regular Sunday dinner show. The crowd was great, and we had a great time.


My family comes from Wisconsin (near Shawano) originally, so I understand.

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I seem to be the only "singer" that has commented in this particular thread. Everyone else has been a KJ, even though some of them have commented from a singer's perspective. There have been around 5 or 6 KJ's that have agreed with the way I feel about filler music, yet no one has commented negatively about the way they run their rotations in a situation where there are only a handful of singers. I find it curious how those same KJ's have no problem attacking my dislike of filler music. Seven people dislike filler music for any reason but only one person gets any heat over it. Very Interesting!!!!

How come no one has told Lonnie, mcky, Felix, or Kurt or anyone else that they are crazy for not playing filler music when people are waiting to sing?

This is gonna scare you, but I completely agreed with your rotation ideas in the other thread- take a look!

As for the other Karaoke Hosts mentioned:

1) You may have noticed that we generally DON"T call each other names or enter personalized negative posts. Beneficial to no one.

2) Since we all do this professionally, we realize that the "Best" way is the one that works for each of us.

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A) You agreed with nothing. You have no understanding of what an amusement park rotation is. Go back and read my response in the other thread to hopefully get an understanding of what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen two separate lines for one ride at an amusement park??? One line for the people that have been on the ride already and a separate line for poeple who have not been on the ride already who all get on the ride before any of the people that have already been on the ride? I didn't think so. I'm not CALLING YOU clueless. I'm just showing the evidence.

1) So all of you KJ's only disagree with someone if you don't like them personally and it has nothing to do with the facts being presented????

2) So it's okay for Lonnie to say that filler music is crap but when I say it, I'm out of my mind and having some kind of fit because I continue to express a consistent opinion. Can you spell HYPOCRISY?????

Actually yes! Disneyland had 2 separate lines in many rides allowing people that purchased express pass tickets (I think that's what they were) to be able to have priority & get on the rides sooner than the ones waiting.

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A) You agreed with nothing. You have no understanding of what an amusement park rotation is. Go back and read my response in the other thread to hopefully get an understanding of what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen two separate lines for one ride at an amusement park??? One line for the people that have been on the ride already and a separate line for poeple who have not been on the ride already who all get on the ride before any of the people that have already been on the ride? I didn't think so. I'm not CALLING YOU clueless. I'm just showing the evidence.

1) So all of you KJ's only disagree with someone if you don't like them personally and it has nothing to do with the facts being presented????

2) So it's okay for Lonnie to say that filler music is crap but when I say it, I'm out of my mind and having some kind of fit because I continue to express a consistent opinion. Can you spell HYPOCRISY????? [/quote]



A) I agree with you now.. I re-read your post, and posted an apology and clarification in the other thread.


1) Well, if a majority of professionals with expereince in the business disagree with a single singer's point of view, GENERALLY speaking, the singer is PROBABLY incorrect.


2) Lon is an experienced and successful pro, and what works in his venues is best for him. You are a single singer for whom, as far as I can tell, NOTHING works...

No hypocrisy, just common sense..

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If there were a speed pass at karaoke , it would be nothing more than a bribe paid to someone to get on stage sooner than they ought to.

I haven't been to Disney in many years but I had heard that you could now go to a ride and get your ticket stamped with a time to get on that ride and then you would get in to the speed line for that particular ride at that particular time. It basically saved your spot in line without having to stand there for over an hour. This way Disney gets you out there walking around to buy food and drinks instead of standing in line where you can't spend money. I also believe that Six Flags and Disney both let people in wheel chairs cut to the front of the line as well. I can deal with that exception.

A) You agreed with nothing. You have no understanding of what an amusement park rotation is. Go back and read my response in the other thread to hopefully get an understanding of what I'm talking about. Have you ever seen two separate lines for one ride at an amusement park??? One line for the people that have been on the ride already and a separate line for poeple who have not been on the ride already who all get on the ride before any of the people that have already been on the ride? I didn't think so. I'm not CALLING YOU clueless. I'm just showing the evidence.

1) So all of you KJ's only disagree with someone if you don't like them personally and it has nothing to do with the facts being presented????

2) So it's okay for Lonnie to say that filler music is crap but when I say it, I'm out of my mind and having some kind of fit because I continue to express a consistent opinion. Can you spell HYPOCRISY????? [/quote]



A) I agree with you now.. I re-read your post, and posted an apology and clarification in the other thread.


1) Well, if a majority of professionals with expereince in the business disagree with a single singer's point of view, GENERALLY speaking, the singer is PROBABLY incorrect.


2) Lon is an experienced and successful pro, and what works in his venues is best for him. You are a single singer for whom, as far as I can tell, NOTHING works...

No hypocrisy, just common sense..[/quote]

YOU just think that you agreed with me. If you understood what I was talking about, you would know that you did NOT agree with me. Please ask Matt to explain it to you. I don't have th epatience for it.

Sometimes a majority can be wrong. Just because Lonnie might have been in the minority and agreed with me, doesn't make us wrong. Lonnie's lack of filler music works for me.

Bruce

I lied, when I said I was done posting to this thread

But I just can't ignore your ignorance and arrogance. I must let you know just how wrong you are, primarily because being "right" is so obviously, damn important to you.

So, Bruce, you are WRONG, WRONG, AND DOUBLY WRONG

- YOU'RE WRONG because you are too worried about being "right"

- YOU'RE WRONG because you believe there is only one "right" answer, while you have never been to the venues during karaoke where those of us who have a different opinion actually work our shows. Lonman works a venue that is, I'll say from what he's described, "gung-ho" karaoke 7 days a week. I've worked places that have karaoke one day and week and for one week there can be 15 singers, while the next week there is only 5. I don't think Lonman has a single night with a total of only 15 singers and if I am not successful in what I do, my 5 may not be in attendance all evening. Even singers leave boring shows and go elsewhere!!!
So, I must look "out of the box" when faced with such a challenge, if nothing else, to keep the few singers I might have. So, I assure you, when I'm not playing karaoke music the majority in attendace, including singers, is experiencing a good time

- YOU"RE WRONG because you don't recognize that it is quite easy to keep calling 3-5 singers up over and over ----- I takes neither decision-making skills nor much creativity, talent, energy or effort to do that. When a KJ can keep everyone happy in a place that is not SATURATED with karaoke devotees (LIKE OLLIE DESCRIBED), that's the real accomplishment

- YOU'RE WRONG because you don't have the RESPONSIBILITY of deciding what is best to for the venue and, as owner, what's best for the karaoke business. You only have to decide what is best for you, and that doesn't INVOLVE ANY RISK, WHATSOEVER.

COME BACK AND DEBATE IT, IF YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY, AFTER YOU HAVE A FINANCIAL RISK INVOLVED WITH YOUR KARAOKE DECISION-MAKING EFFORTS!

Practically half of the KJ's here agree with me. The people who disagree with me never mention the people who agree with me and try to get them to change the way they do things and I'm not trying to get anyone to change the way they do things. I'm just telling them that there are people out there like me that don't like filler music and we are willing to vote with our feet. It's obvious that other singers don't want to post an opinion in this thread because they don't want to be attacked by the KJ's who swear by the filler music. Do you really think that there is a karaoke singer out there that looks forward to any filler music???? Come on, do you? No karaoke singer wants to hear filler music. Filler music is nothing but a delay tactic to try to get people to stay longer. All I'm saying is that I resent being delayed. I also believe that MOST if not ALL singers feel the same way.

As far as what is best for the venue is concerned, pissing off the singers is not a good business decision in my opinion. If you pi$$ off the few singers you do have, you will not impress your bar owner the following week when even those 3 people DON"T show up to sing.

I have my entertainment time at risk and I also risk the 40 to 50 dollars that I typically spend on a night out between food and beverages. You already own your Karaoke equipment so there is no chance of you losing any money on a slow night. You still get paid as long as you continue to have enough singers in the bar to keep the bar owner happy. If you chase away the few singers that you have with filler music, you are shooting yourself in the foot. I'm not doing anything. If you avoid the filler music, those 3 singers may invite their friends the following week, and so on and so on. I'm not telling what you HAVE to do. I'm just suggesting what I think would be a better way to build up a bigger group of singers. You can do whatever you like. It won't affect me at all. I don't live in South Florida. I don't live anywhere Lonnie either but I would go to his show if I lived in that part of the country. I might even go to Karyoker's show, ONCE. If he started playing filler music, I would take him up on his offer of cab fare to the place down the road. Like Lonnie suggested, if you're going to play filler music, you should advertise your show as a karaoke dance gig so people like me can avoid it unless there is no other place to sing at because people like me don't mind waiting while other people sing but we do mind waiting while you play filler music. It's just a matter of principle.

15 singer is an avg for most weeknights - i've had as little as 1 singer on a rare occasion & as high as 45 on rare occasions for weeknights - but on avg, we will get about 15 singers at least, weekends will bump to anywhere from 20-40 singers on avg.
Either way, on that rare night, that 1 singer gets to sing as much as he likes, without having to wait for an entire dj song, as soon as they turn their slip in, they are up. I advertise karaoke, this is what we offer! If I played dj songs on these slow singing nights, then I would add that to the ad to let people know that it isn't necessarily karaoke all the time.

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OH YEAH ERIC, LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!

Bruce

So what?

Again, you've got go be right. No one, but I'll speak only for myself disagrees with what you want for yourself. Again, go to the places that satisfy you and leave those of us KJ's who have different opinions alone, and DON'T come to our shows. You won't be happy!

Lastly, you and every other KJ on this forum isn't going to walk in my shoes for me. What I do is right until I decide it isn't. And if I should so decide, I'll then turn to the forum and ask for other opinions of those whose opinion I respect.

IN SHORT, what I am telling you is, I didn't ask for your opinion, I don't want your opinion and there are more experienced people I will turn to on this forum when I seek such an opinion. Perhaps you get that? So, why not drop it already?

And don't make me laugh with your $40-50. I invested over $3000 just last month in my karaoke business and committed over $1000 to advertising this year. You, Bruce, are quite something if you think I should run my show the way you want!

And let me take a guess......ummmmmm YOU want to be wrong???

You would rather chase potential customers away than think that there might be a better way. and I HAVE TO BE RIGHT????

Maybe the next time someone posts a new thread, they should preface it by saying that all opinions are welcome except for opinions from people who disagree with the original poster. I thought Forums were open to all who had an opinion....even those who wanted to be right????

I never said that you should run your show any differently than you do now. All I said is that I would probably go to someone else's show instead of yours if that other person didn't play filler music. I might go to your show to talk the other singers into going to the other show down the road where no filler music was being played though.

My 40 to 50 dollars per night might translate into anywhere from $4,000 to $7,500 during the course of a year. That is based on going out 2 to 4 times per week. That is money that I'm perfectly willing to spend to be entertained. Your $4,000 is an investment that will hopefully bring you $15,000 a year if you only do 2 shows per week at 150 per show. You seem to think that I WANT you to fail. You couldn't be further from the truth. I hope you get as many shows as you seek and they are all crowded with singers. I just hope that people who run their shows like Lonnie does, also have many successful shows for me to go to.

Lonnie, exactly. Our people come for karaoke, not DJ. We average 15-20 on weekenights and 30-40+ on weekends. But like every other show we do get some "off" nights. These are the nights the few singers get more time and is a good night to experiment with new songs.

But that being said, each host has his or her way of doing things and if it works for them then so be it. The butting of heads is on the ridiculous side.

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All I'm doing is agreeing with you Timberlea; and Lonnnie too as well as a few others. Eric is just trying to defend his way of doing things as if his way is the ONLY WAY to do it right. It can be right in some venues for him but may fail at other venues. Filler music is a real deal breaker for me and he seems to resent me saying so. He can play all the filler music in the world and it will never affect me personally. I was never going to be a customer of his anyway, strictly based on geography alone. I hope that his area is filled with people who love filler music. I just don't find that to be a realistic hope.

I am absolutely in agreement that other hosts have their own ways, all I am in disagreeance with is don't advertise it as karaoke if they are going to play dj music once in a while or more, just add the blurb for DJ/Dance/Regular music or something to indicate to someone looking for strictly karaoke that this show MIGHT not be for them. I can't stand to go to a karaoke advertised show to only hear regular music once in a while.

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I think this thread should end. Everyone has made their point whether others choose to believe them or not. I will say this. 2 weeks ago I went a place I used to go every Thursday and at 11:30 or so he told me his song list was filled up and then he started playing dj music even though he had just shown me 17 names on his list. I think we will all agree that situation as I described was a bunch of crap. I've only had one show, I played filler music but it was only between the finish of one karaoke song and the beginning of the next to eliminate the dead air space and the volume on the filler songs was at half the karaoke.

Beautiful newly remodeled bar on a 2nd floor with big bay windows overlooking the Mississippi river but no one knew about it yet so not a lot of patrons but the few singers that were there were got to sing a lot. I kept it karaoke all night and only asked the owner what type of music to play between singers. Several times I had no slips and the filler song that came on kept going until I got a slip. I sang 4 or 5 songs myself and everyone that wanted to sing, go to sing all they wanted.

I'd have no problem at your show then, Ripman8.

This is not filler music, this is transition music.

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