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First I must state that I am computer based, AND have a player for customers cdgs.
Having said that, I agree with Jam about the hosts who are not using players also. The way I look at it is just as if you have a handicapped person situation. You make what is called a REASONABLE ACCOMODATION. Which is what Jam discribed. Maybe you have the same song in your library, or IF it can be purchased, you get it for the next time, OR if it's a SPECIAL CDG, you ask the (handicapped) person if they can give you a mp3+g file for addition to your library. These are 3 REASONABLE ACCOMODATIONS that as a business person you have offered. You can't possibly have the perfect solution for ALL of society's problems, BUT if you make some kind of effort, you're doing more than MOST.

My 2 cents.

Rosario

Matt:

So, you saying it is because of the singers' egos that they will not enjoy themselves if they can't use their own discs?

It's interesting how many times people let their egos keep them from enjoying life!

Search my list for Springsteen. The is one idd as THM. Most of the others are SC. If you have one that is not listed what is it? What version or songs are on your cd's that you take to shows? I also have some UK versions.


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:roll: Oh for CRYING out loud. I know I was said but there are statements here I just can't believe.

You can't understand that some people want to sing a SPECIFIC song? You can't understand that some people aren't COMFORTABLE singing just ANY version of a song you may happen to have?

Again, it's NOT about YOU... it's about THE CUSTOMERS!

Matt:

So, you saying it is because of the singers' egos that they will not enjoy themselves if they can't use their own discs?

It's interesting how many times people let their egos keep them from enjoying life!

Gotta play custie's discs. PERIOD.

If you can't I may pop in to checkout your deal one time.

But I WON'T, I REPEAT WON'T be back(and I become a LOYAL long-term custie--and I'm talking for YEARS here, along with my friends that I would bring and their friends that they would bring.) which means MUCH LOST BIZ TO THE BAR OVER A LONG, LONG TIME FRAME-which the bar owner couldn't POSSIBLY be pleased with.

Loyal is not what I would consder someone who would abandon an otherwise good place because they didn't want to play with your toys.

All because the KJ wouldn't play a custie's CDG. Seems pretty silly huh?

Not any sillier than refusing to come back to place over this piddly point.

An prime example is a place called GRAMMA's that's just 2 blocks from my house-I'd walk to Karoaoke!!. I used to go there every other weekend as the KJ there played my discs. I've followed him around for years now from place to place and recommend ALL my karaoke-interested friends to go see him. The place recently changed KJ's so I stopped in to check the new guy. I asked if he could play my disc--he said his CDG drive on his lappy was broken. OK so I gave him the benefit of doubt and came back a couple months later. Same routine. So I gave up on him. Haven't been back in a year and a half. And this used to be my favorite place to hang for Karaoke. I still drop in for lunch on a Saturday afternoon once in awhile as the burgers are quite good. But no more Karaoke there. LOST LONG-TERM MONEY for them(and yes I do know the owner).

Granted, the KJ should not have lied about it, I would just tell you I don't play others CDG's. If you wanted to throw a hissy and leave, then have at it.

KJ's are there to MAKE THE BAR MONEY and KEEP AS MANY CUSTIES IN THE PLACE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE(not just for one night but a LONG-TERM FOLLOWING FOR THE BAR).

Agreed, but if you think that you personally going to make or break a bar, you are quite mistaken.

"Oh its MY SHOW and I'll run it how I WANT". Well, that may be true to some extent---but its the bar owners bar THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY FOR. That's the MAIN PRIORITY. And if you're running custies off simply because of your own EGO(and lets call a spade a spade here--as this whole subject DOES BOIL DOWN TO KJ EGO) by not being willing to allow custies discs and MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY, then that bar owner has a REAL PROBLEM and you are COSTING HIM MONEY, LONG-TERM MONEY (and who knows how much that would add up to over time)

HA HA HA HA. That is about all I can say to that one. At my longest running show, I have had exactly two people ask me to play their CDG's, both of them still come every week.

There are MANY KJ's I've been going to see for YEARS now. They always are able to play my discs. I used to pop in on Matt's show regularly because he would play my discs because he simply didn't have my songs. If he did then I used his computer selections. I ALWAYS PREFER to use the KJ's selections so to save wear and tear on my discs. There are a number of KJ's here in Portland who can't, won't, aren't willing to, don't believe in it or whatever. Haven't been back to see ANY of them ONCE. NOT ONCE. Hence, those bars have lost my $$$ for all those YEARS and my guests, friends and reccomendations to other people who ask me where's a cool place to go see. More $$$ LOST.

Trivial amount of money in the grand scheme of things, I would say that not having whiney singing diva's disrupting the show probably saves or makes money for the bar.

C'mon, WAKE-UP. It's NOT HARD TO HOOK UP A SPARE CDG MACHINE, THREE WIRES AND A SWITCH. You don't even have to route it into your lappy/computer. just plug it into the mixer and the main video!! And the new cdg/dvd machines are inexpensive, lightweight and don't take up much room. Simple stuff!!

Unnecessary expense and room in the hauler.

I don't bring my discs because I want to SHOW-UP, belittle or humble the KJ or MAKE him play my discs. It's because they DON'T have my songs, or versions or labels and probably never will! Mine are ALL store-bought and I keep them in good physical shape. Sometimes I'm the only one with my own discs at the show. Other times other people also bring thier own.


And NO, 99% of KJ's out there DON'T have the obscure stuff I sing. If they DO then I'm like WOW!! JOY!! RAPTURE!! And then I go buy them a SHOT OF THIER FAVORITE LIQCOUR ON MY TAB!! They just won a LONG-TERM LOYAL CUSTIE who will return and WILL reccommend thier place to others!

Chances are, no one in the crowd want to hear your obscure songs.


To my mind there simply IS NO VALID EXCUSE OR REASON for not making provision for and allowing custie's own discs. Particularly if they are in good physical shape and are store-bought.

Fortunatley for us, you opinion carries little weight.

END OF DISCUSSION.Hardly

Bruce,

I have only asked for a simple explanation that you are unable to provide and I guess that the English language is what is coming between us? And I'm sorry for that. And can only ascribed your misrepresentations of what I have been saying to a language problem. I wouldn't want to think that your misrepresentations of what I have said were malicious? Were they?

Meanwhile, here the gist of it all when it comes to BFFL

1. He has provided, I guess, every possible reason why he wants to sing his tracks
2 I did not, however, ever ask for any such explanation from him of why he does so
3. I have never suggested that he, or anybody, stop singing what they want to sing.
3. I have never suggested there is anything wrong with the songs he likes or the reasons his provided for liking them.

I simply have asked, over and over.... why can't he find a show that doesn't play cdg's that maybe has some of his preferred tracks and/or maybe has other tracks that he might enjoy? He doesn't have to go to that show every time he goes out. He doesn't even have to ever go back to that show. But why can't he allow himself to have a good time at a show that won't play CDG's? Oh.... sure.... he has stayed (but will never go back) at a few such shows, but clearly it was only begrudgingly and did not have a good time. I would think if he had had a good time he wouldn't make it a point to say he won't go back!

Now, he can twist my words and my intent all he likes, and he can dance around my question and get cutesy with it all he wants..... but it should be obvious to not just me, but everyone by now that he can't or will not provide any response, rational or otherwise, to that simple request I have made.

And I don't think others will be as gracious as I in suggesting that absence of his response and twisting of my words and intent is due simply to a language barrier?

I have often sung requests for people that were not on one of my custom discs, as long as I didn't have something already planned to sing.

Bruce on that search engine you have to use the karaoke filter or the DJ filter.

I dont have time for this but I got the ver. on my springsteen karaoke library and here is how it breaks down. UK refers to UK3103 I dont remember where I got it but it is not that bad.

Now if you are coming to my show fill out a song request on the site and I will check the availability. If you are at my show I will download if available. IF YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO PLAY A CD I will go home and get a player.

But I will not tolerate tantrums or allow disrespect to my customers singers or non singers. Respect is a two way street. I run a professional business and make business decisions for immediate or long range needs. When I get an extra $100 I want to buy a DVD laptop player that plays CDG'S. Until then I make do with what I have. If you cant respect that and work with me then stay away.

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