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 Post subject: Re: Serious Singers
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:36 pm 
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c. staley @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:21 pm wrote:
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Correct me if I am wrong but how I read this is that you as the host feel that DannyG2006 said:
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No amount of "Ballad Hell" is going to change my rotation. I might at the end of the rotation take a little time(Three songs) to interject some lively dance music into the fray but it does not and will not adjust the people that a singer is following.


What is the difference from changing the rotation by 3 singers -and patrons are still singing - or in the above example, stopping everyone from singing while you play a few upbeat dance songs?

Is it "perception" on the part of the patrons? Or do they all get mad because now you stopped them ALL and played dance music?
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LEt's get it straihght. I get away with it because the flyers and ads say Karaoke/DJ.
I get away with it because the client (Club owner) wants me to play music between rotations if I have less than x amount of singers. Once I reach that status it is straight karaoke and I will not play dj music just to interject some life in ballad hell.
I lkeep my singers because I run a straight rotation and allow zero line jumpers unless the next singer is in the bathroom then I skip them to the next singer and get back to them once they are back. Once they sing I place them back in the order they were originally in.
While I got into this originally because I like karaoke, I also got into this because of KJ's Like you who allow line jumpers. No one should sing more than once before another gets up to sing that is why I run my rotation the way I do and I don't tell my singers what to sing. They may ask me for suggestions to which I will try and find songs for them that fits their voice and style.

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 Post subject: Re: Serious Singers
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:12 pm 
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DannyG2006 said:
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LEt's get it straihght. I get away with it because the flyers and ads say Karaoke/DJ.
I get away with it because the client (Club owner) wants me to play music between rotations if I have less than x amount of singers. Once I reach that status it is straight karaoke and I will not play dj music just to interject some life in ballad hell.


Really? So you only do that when the rotation "is less than x amount of singers" because the Club Owner wants you to. Apparently, it has nothing to do with getting out of ballad hell, and you're not "getting away with it" because the owner has told you to do that.

You can't have it both ways DannyG2006 because earlier you said:

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No amount of "Ballad Hell" is going to change my rotation. I might at the end of the rotation take a little time(Three songs) to interject some lively dance music into the fray but it does not and will not adjust the people that a singer is following.


So let's get THIS straight:

What you're saying is that if you have more than x number of singers, you will run straight karaoke with NO changes in rotation or song selection? Doesn't matter if it's 25 ballads, one after an another.... you'll play 'em. You will keep yourself in ballad hell as a matter of policy.

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I also got into this because of KJ's Like you who allow line jumpers.


"KJ's like you who allow line jumpers?" Where to you come of stating this?

I don't "allow line jumpers" at all... I purposely manage the rotation and change it when it NEEDS to be changed to stay out of ballad hell. Nobody "jumps a line" and manages me.... NOT EVEN the club owner. Unlike you, I don't let the Club Owner tell me how to do my job or dictate what I'm going to do based on the number of singers in the rotation (or lack of singers.) I don't tell the club owner how to cook or serve drinks and they don't tell me how to run my show. It's as simple as that.


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 Post subject: Re: Serious Singers
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:43 pm 
The question of rotation policy is a bit off topic and I am not sure who is proposing what in that regard?

I will add to the "mix" that my partner has one gig on Tuesdays where the very savvy owner did let him know that he expects plenty of filler music for the benefit of his non-singing patrons!

In another thread I posed six questions: Thread Re: Some Basic Questions For KJ's (OR ANYONE ELSE)

The first question was: Who do you work for (who makes the final decisions on how your business is to be run)?

If the owner is telling you that you are to satisfy non-singing customers with dance and filler music... who made the ultimate decision on how you as a KJ will conduct your business? And, actually speaking, did the owner make that determination or was it made for him by his customers who have made it clear that they hang out to hear dance and filler music?

So.... isn't it the customer in many cases who ultimately decides how you run the most important aspect of your business.... the "gig" itself?

Serious singers are among those, in my opinion, who don't countenance anything but non-stop karaoke at a karaoke show, so they will not come, I guess, to my partner's Tuesday show!

PS: The owner who insists on the filler/dance music does not promote the evening as KJ/DJ... it's promoted as karaoke. And after the karaoke is over at 1am my partner DJ's until 3am!


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knightshow @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:30 pm wrote:
I'll say that the only way I'd break up the "Ballad he!!" is with my filler music, the ten to twenty seconds at which I play mix music between the singers... as one departs and I have the next one coming up.

I won't ask the singers that pay their hard earned money to change their songs, nor will I adjust rotation, or do anything to negate what they want to sing.

Other than remind them of other types of music of which to choose from...

I sometimes wonder what some KJs are thinking... just who exactly is paying their salaries, and who exactly they're working for>????


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 Post subject: Re: Serious Singers
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So, you get one singer who sings a ballad every time his turn comes up (which, under a normal rotation I would expect to be once per rotation). Is that ballad hell?
I would think not.

How about two singers every rotation? Again I would think not.

Three? Four? Five? How many singers does it take per rotation to turn it into "ballad hell"?

Now, if you get that many singers in the room that are wanting to sing ballads that makes you think it is turning into "ballad hell", it seems the perception of that term is in the eye of the KJ and not the KJ's customers who actually want to sing the ballads!

It appears that the KJs complaining about "ballad hell" are more concerned with what they themselves want to hear and not what their customers want to sing.

And what the hell does this have to do with the thread's topic anyway? Unless one considers that the definition of a serious singer is one who only sings ballads.


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