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srnitynow
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Birdofsong, I also have the JBL EON 15 G2"s, and they SURE DO SOUND GOOD WITH BALLADS. And everything else too!!!! 
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birdofsong @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:03 pm wrote: Lazer @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:54 am wrote: birdofsong @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:22 pm wrote: Lazer @ Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:33 pm wrote: Quote: Again if the crowd is having such an aweful time, they will correct themselves. Why should someone who has been waiting to sing have to change their song?
Answer: They shouldn't, and you shouldn't force them or suggest it. There are plenty of singer I know who can't sing anything but one or two songs and feel uncomfortable singing something else. I'm not there to make them feel uncomfortable. Except...I don't force anyone to do anything. A suggestion that a different selection might get them a good crowd response offends no one. And you can't tell me that someone doesn't want to hear how much you love it when they sing "_________." If you're talking about a regular, they often have a good high-energy song you can suggest they sing. However, if they say they want to stick with what they put in, so be it. There's certainly no harm in asking. In my experience, shows don't correct themselves. A host cannot afford to remain passive. I can see if you aren't forcing them how you feel it wouldn't hurt, however most people if asked to do something by someone in authority (KJ, waitstaff, owner) would do it out of respect for them, not necessarily because thats what they want to do.Quote: You also state:
That's fine in theory, except when the majority of your patrons are bored stiff and start thinking about checking out the bar down the street, and your bar owner says, "Can't you do something?" That guy who just said that is my real customer.
hmmm. and the guy who is singing isn't? Actually...no. The bar owner hired me. The bar owner pays me. I am only there because he has decided I should be. If I am making his customers happy, then he will stay my customer and I will stay in his bar. But if he complains, whether it's because his customers complained or just because of something he personally doesn't like, rectifying that takes number one priority if I want to keep my show. He will have nothing to complain about if his customers have nothing to complain about. Keeping his customers happy at the show is also my job, and I certainly strive to make them happy -- ALL OF THEM, including the non-singers, who can kill a show with complaints over ballad hell nights just as easily as singers can. They like high energy, and it's important that I don't ignore them just because they aren't singing. I think you and I read the above differently then I did. It sounded to me like the owner was stating that on behalf of a customer. I am probably wrong after re-reading that. So I would agree with you if the owner asks for something then I would do it.The only complaints I ever get are from people who don't get to sing as often as they'd like (because of the 1 1/2 hour to 2 hour rotation). That's the only thing I can't do anything about. birdofsong
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Jian @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:16 pm wrote: The big majority of KJ here who love high energy songs do not have the rig to go with the kind of music they love to play. The result is a loud buy heavily clipped sound. I would avoid those kind of KJ.
If I want to listen to or want to dance to high energy music I go a dance club that have proper PA installed.
Agreed.
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birdofsong @ 11th March 2009, 7:56 am wrote: [quote="Jian @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:44 pm
If you don't use sub, then the your rig is never suitable for those dance-able song. But for ballad they are very good. I have to disagree. I'm sure in some cases that may be true, but there you go again with the sweeping generalizations when you say "NEVER." I'd get my hackles up far less if you simply said, "In my experience, I find that KJ rigs often have this problem." I run 15" JBL speakers. These are the same speakers I use when I DJ school dances in large gyms. Two speakers. Good bass. No clipping. Great full sound. I have hundreds of happy teenagers. And they don't want to hear too many ballads, either. birdofsong[/quote]
Get a pair of sub and you will hear the different.
I don't generalized, because I mean what I say.
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birdofsong @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:56 pm wrote: [quote="Jian @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:44 pm
If you don't use sub, then the your rig is never suitable for those dance-able song. But for ballad they are very good. I have to disagree. I'm sure in some cases that may be true, but there you go again with the sweeping generalizations when you say "NEVER." I'd get my hackles up far less if you simply said, "In my experience, I find that KJ rigs often have this problem." I run 15" JBL speakers. These are the same speakers I use when I DJ school dances in large gyms. Two speakers. Good bass. No clipping. Great full sound. I have hundreds of happy teenagers. And they don't want to hear too many ballads, either. birdofsong[/quote]
I personally have a similar system although I use the Mackie SRM450s, I used them for everything dances, wedding etc.. They sound great, but nothing like what they sound when paired with the SWA1801Z.
I too though the system sounded great without a sub, until I turned it on.
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Lazer @ 11th March 2009, 8:23 am wrote: birdofsong @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:56 pm wrote: [quote="Jian @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:44 pm
If you don't use sub, then the your rig is never suitable for those dance-able song. But for ballad they are very good. I have to disagree. I'm sure in some cases that may be true, but there you go again with the sweeping generalizations when you say "NEVER." I'd get my hackles up far less if you simply said, "In my experience, I find that KJ rigs often have this problem." I run 15" JBL speakers. These are the same speakers I use when I DJ school dances in large gyms. Two speakers. Good bass. No clipping. Great full sound. I have hundreds of happy teenagers. And they don't want to hear too many ballads, either. birdofsong I personally have a similar system although I use the Mackie SRM450s, I used them for everything dances, wedding etc.. They sound great, but nothing like what they sound when paired with the SWA1801Z. I too though the system sounded great without a sub, until I turned it on. Night and day my friend, night and day.[/quote]
See what I mean? 
PS:To those who want to argue with me me on this subject; please don't post here, we are off topic, start a new thread.
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It would be so refreshing to hear just ONE KJ say that his or her equipment wasn't perfect for any situation. It seems to be a universal situation that EVERY person who owns a sound system of ANY kind feels that what they own is just the cat's meow when it comes to producing sound and they will defend their purchases to the bitter end. It's all EGO driven. People just get very defensive about just about every thing. Would it be so terrible for someone to say that I know my equipment isn't very good but it's all that I could afford.
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Ok Bruce, here you go. The equipment that I have is probably inferior to some of the kjs on this forum, BUT, it was within my budget, I did ALOT of research BEFORE buying. I'm very happy with my decisions, made a few mistakes, but have gotten nothing but compliments from the SINGERS at my venue. I know I could have spent thousands of dollars more, but I'm not sure I would have gotten the same bang for my buck that I got. Not to mention that my system is still very much expandable. I do what I can with what I've got, and have had only (one) complaint, from a (diva) that I didn't have all of the songs that another kj had. I told him if he had any discs of HIS songs that he wanted to bring in, I'd be glad to play them. He sang one song, and left, because the rotation was too long. I will say in closing that I am VERY pleased with my purchases.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:35 pm |
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srnitynow @ March 10th 2009, 8:25 pm wrote: Ok Bruce, here you go. The equipment that I have is probably inferior to some of the kjs on this forum, BUT, it was within my budget, I did ALOT of research BEFORE buying. I'm very happy with my decisions, made a few mistakes, but have gotten nothing but compliments from the SINGERS at my venue. I know I could have spent thousands of dollars more, but I'm not sure I would have gotten the same bang for my buck that I got. Not to mention that my system is still very much expandable. I do what I can with what I've got, and have had only (one) complaint, from a (diva) that I didn't have all of the songs that another kj had. I told him if he had any discs of HIS songs that he wanted to bring in, I'd be glad to play them. He sang one song, and left, because the rotation was too long. I will say in closing that I am VERY pleased with my purchases.
Rosario
Bravo! If your rotation is too long for someone to wait, you must be doing something right.
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Quote: It would be so refreshing to hear just ONE KJ say that his or her equipment wasn't perfect for any situation. It seems to be a universal situation that EVERY person who owns a sound system of ANY kind feels that what they own is just the cat's meow when it comes to producing sound and they will defend their purchases to the bitter end. It's all EGO driven. People just get very defensive about just about every thing. Would it be so terrible for someone to say that I know my equipment isn't very good but it's all that I could afford.
My system is not perfect for every situation and I have setup in a lot of venues inside and out. No small venue can have perfect sound for there are too many reverbs involved and they increase with more watts or volume. I have installed dozens of sound systems for jukebox PA intercom etc. I can run up to to 4 JBL EONS and know how to get the max sound out of every watt by speaker placement and sound distribution.. . If I am in a venue that needs more chances are I am using the in house system which is nothing more than a linear PA with the power and bass needed.
However I do have a better than average sound system. I have also installed sound system years ago that did not have the specs or tight tolerances that todays have and I know how to get the max out of any system.
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This THREAD is about BALLAD and NOT PA SYSTEM. READ my last post.
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It's ok with me Jian if you want to close this one and start another thread, but if people are still interested in the BALLAD topic, it's up to you if you want to leave it open, and THEY can start another thread on whatever subject they would like to discuss. I just felt like responding to Bruce to get that subject closed.
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Sorry, Jian. I lost track of what the original topic was.
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Go ahead, this thread is not going to be close................... cos I love BALLAD
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At my shows I dont sing many tear jerking beer drinking music songs. But my ballads are the classic inspirational love songs. They can energize or provide just as much energy to a crowd as the higher tempo songs. I have never heard the term ballad hell but I do know what it is to have a few singers in a row slaughtering songs. That is why fill is so important and the host must know how to choose the proper genre and how to use fill to control the atmosphere. Also if you are pumping the crowd with high energy fast tempo fill the singers tend to choose songs in the same category.
Also it takes knowing your singers and encouraging them to try new songs if they are ballad only type singers. I have a friend I can take to any show anywhere and when he sings Unchained Melody or Daddy's Home To Stay the entire bar and staff come to a standstill and listens.
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Lazer @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:23 pm wrote: birdofsong @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:56 pm wrote: [quote="Jian @ Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:44 pm
If you don't use sub, then the your rig is never suitable for those dance-able song. But for ballad they are very good. I have to disagree. I'm sure in some cases that may be true, but there you go again with the sweeping generalizations when you say "NEVER." I'd get my hackles up far less if you simply said, "In my experience, I find that KJ rigs often have this problem." I run 15" JBL speakers. These are the same speakers I use when I DJ school dances in large gyms. Two speakers. Good bass. No clipping. Great full sound. I have hundreds of happy teenagers. And they don't want to hear too many ballads, either. birdofsong
I too though the system sounded great without a sub, until I turned it on.
Night and day my friend, night and day.[/quote]
Oh yah, night and day with the sub - I use the 450s and a sub for big venues and you can almost feel it in your chest sitting 50 feet away from it. I LOVE IT!
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I don't have anything against ballads. I agree that a ballad can be sung powerfully and dynamically too. I just don't want to put too many of them in a row! I've had singers turn in slips for ballads and apologize to me, "Sorry I know it's a slow song". Nothing wrong with that...sometimes like playing a slow song in a DJ set, it gives people a chance to go to the bar and get another drink. And aren't we really there to hawk booze?
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Ballad hell, country hell, ballad hell, country hell? Where's my 9mm. With that said anything can be hell. It's all according to the listener's taste. I'd much prefer 10 well done ballads to 10 butchered "Can't Stop Believing", "Paradise At The Dashboard Lights", "Bohemian Rhapsody", or any number of heavy metal songs where people screech into the mics, etc.
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Timberlea, that was the original reason for my post, if I have 5 GOOD ballad singers that turn the heads, and make people come into the dining area from the bar to watch the singer, isn't that better than having someone sing some high energy songs that doesn't even hold the attention of the people in the dining area, because their "butchering" the song? I have some singers that can sing practically anything fairly well, I haven't mentioned them much, but the thread was about BALLAD HELL.
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I have a question; if none of the singers are connecting with the audience(They are boring the audience); Couldn't it be the equipment, acoustics and/or speakers that might be the problem??? Isn't this the problem more often than not?
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