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I have to agree. All Chip did was disagree with what Ollie said and took him to task for his claims. Nothing wrong with that, yet he's argumentative, despite the big F you from Ollie and Ollie gets defended for it. Not exactly fair in my books. If any of us had thrown the middle finger up like that, there would have been outrage. I'm surprised to so many of you tolerate such disrepectful language. I know I don't. There's simply no need for it.
As far as I'm concerned, the people that use that language need to grow up a little. And drinking is no excuse for bad behaviour. You drink you get drunk you deal with the consequences like the adult you're supposed to be. Try a little self contol, Ollie, whether that be BEFORE you start drinking or after, I don't really care, but cut with the language please.

Ollie has his moments but at least he doesn't enlist his wife to join the Forum "undercover" just so that it will look like SOMEONE....ANYONE is agreeing with him. I picked up on it in her first post. It was so transparent. I mean, who else would agree with the cow "chips" that chipper leaves laying around???

Uncalled for BFFL, and not at all relevant to the thread.

Anybody that has a beef with I will climb off my bar stool or give you my private phone number. We can go about it many ways. If you have a problem with a mean old man then so be it. I am talking now When I am quiet you are in trouble big time.

I have never hit or abused a lady in my life but sick your boyfriend on me and he will find out quick what being a man is all about. If this talk bothers you then I suggest some more sessions with your psychologist and you insinuate that I need to mature?

This is real life and please dont give me that liberal anti violence crap. I came into this life fighting and I will die fighting. In the meantime do not try to tell what to think or how to live. My standards and mores are from many generations of Scots and not from the education system being forced upon every living child today.

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YOU CONDONE CHIP'S BEHAVIOR AND I defend Ollie's. Where's the difference??? When Chipper calls people names; he does it when he's sober. Olllie has an excuse. He drinks too much on ocassion and takes it out on his key board and everyone seems to be okay with it except you, chipper and Agent 99. Everyone on just about every internet forum has their quirks and barely no one can get along with everyone all of the time. Heck! people even agree with me once in a blue moon.

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"drunk" is not an excuse, it is a voluntary action that didn't happen on accident, he paid for the alcohol to do it, voluntarily drank it and now wants to beg forgiveness rather than be responsible for his own (drunken) actions?

"STUPID" is an excuse....

"DRUNK" is not...

and every karaoke host knows the difference.... I can only hope.

I want to play, I want to play! But our satellite has been out for the last week so I have to wait until I get more time after work tonight then I can use the computers. Not chickening out--just cut off from civilization.

We have a new developement that is sort of interesting in relation to this topic. We are having a terrible time getting people in at our current venue which has no happy hour, no specials, no food other than bagged chips and microwaved pizza. There certainly aren't flowers but I would be happy if they would just turn on their blower system so you could see the opposite wall through the smoke. I don't know much about the training of the bar staff but I do know the place is the only one in the town that passes when the police send in their underage decoys. There is no bouncer but the police are a block away and usually circling the lot anyway. There was a stabbing there last summer and I believe the patrons broke it up.

So this weekend we got a nibble from another venue that does advertising, specials, free popcorn, special event nights, listens to their patrons and gets in what they request, has a good working relationship with the police, gets their customers rides home if necessary.....even seems to be on the same page as to how she likes karaoke run. Her current host won't update his library so the owner has been buying discs herself to fill customer requests. The host happened to walk out on her the night we came in but I don't know if he will actually quit or not and we told her we didn't want to apply unless he had really given it up. But she said she is coming to our show anyway to check us out. I really don't know what it would be like to work with someone that wanted to support and advertise the show.

I'm convinced bars will never be what they once were. The DUI thing means bars will have to provide something besides liquor for people to spend their money on during the sober up hours--would love to have a grill that kept going until last call. People have even been stopped for WALKING home from our venue.

There went the lunch hour. Can't wait to read what I've missed tonight.

Idle threats are just that: Idle. Why waste time even typing them out?
The problem I have with you is the DISRESPECT you have shown everyone on this board with your drunken rages and foul language. Simply not necessary.


Where on earth did you get that I would "sick" my boyfriend on you? You must be drunk again. Not impressive. Either that or you have some major psychiatric issues. Perhaps little people whispering in your brain? Perhaps while on my way to the psychologist you, the expert, suggest I need, I could drop you off at an AA meeting along the way?
You sorely need it.
My insistence on RESPECT does not need a psychiatric evaluation.
When you are speaking to others and you use that kind of foul language, especially in a confrontational way as you did, that is DISRESPECTFUL. But I can guess that you're probably too drunk to understand that.

Then you will always be unhappy if all you do is fight. Perhaps that could be the cause of all your drinking? Or maybe you are one of those people who are only "happy" when miserable?
Oh and BTW, being drunk is NOT an excuse for anything. You make the choice to drink. As a responsible adult, you should be responsible for the consequences of ALL your actions, drunk or not. Unless, of course, you're not responsible and not an adult.

In today's world, alcoholism is a disease, not a choice. I choose to accept Ollie for who he is. I'm willing to take the good WITH the ocassional bad. I kind of get a kick out of Ollie's "outbursts". I guess I'm more forgiving than most. I love it when people get all bent out of shape and they say that they are leaving the FORUM for good and then they come back in short order. These forums are guilty pleasures for a lot of people. I say Live and let Live.

I wouldn't place too much emphasis on happy hour or specials if you're the karaoke host. But having competitive prices during karaoke is very important.

My own place is often empty when I arrive at 8:30 but is full at 11. From my perspective that's what counts.

We do serve hot food right up till closing though. That does help. Especially now that you can't smoke in there. People are ordering more food than before.

Good luck on your new venue if it happens LL.

Bullhockey!
Alcoholism is not a get out of jail free card for any negative actions that may be committed.
You obviously know nothing about the "disease" and have never had to deal with it.
Ollie can CHOOSE to not drink. Very simple.
He simply CHOOSES not to stop himself.
The "cure", if it can be called that, is to make the CHOICE (and stick to it) to stop drinking.
Sound too simple? That's because it IS that simple.
And if you choose to accept his ill-mannered bullying just because he's drunk, then you are only enabling him to continue.

OKAY I like his antics. I find it humorous as long as he doesn't drink and drive.

I will never believe that alcohoism is a disease no matter who might call it that. Drinking is a choice and unless someone pointed a gun at your head or threatened you then it's a choice.

Drunks absolutely get no sympathy with me. Dealt with too many of the a$$holes.

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Actually have to disagree. Alcoholism IS a disease. My family on my Dads side are all alcoholics, 2 even died from it. 2 were able to quit, but with much help & counseling, but are completely different people now as they cannot hang out anywhere or with anyone that has alcohol. Sometimes it's not a choice. There is scientific proof that there are certain genes that can keep those cravings up higher than a person who is not an alcoholic.
I am in the same boat as my Dad's family, if I don't have one, then I am fine, if I have just one sip, I cannot stop until I can't drink anymore & really don't remember why or how I started for the night.

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I lean towards your philosophy as well, but sometimes, to make your point, you need to use their theories to get through.

So, I assume you CHOOSE to not take that first sip?
Oh, and though I said it was simple, I didn't say it was easy.
Simple, yes.
Easy, maybe not....

As a recovering alcoholic, my choice every day is whether or not to pick up that first drink.

If I do then I have no choice.

BINGO!

But it's not like someone who can have a casual drink. You may be able to have one or two & stop. Others are not so lucky that if they decide to have one - they are screwed & cannot stop. Others are even unluckier in whcih they cannot even smell someone with alcohol on their breath or the craving will take over.
It's a choice - sort of, but there are other factors.

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Regardless of what you say, it's STILL a CHOICE.
Might not be an easy one, but it's a choice, nonetheless.
And that's my point.
If Ollie CHOOSES to continue his behaviour, drunk or not (because he DOES CHOOSE to get drunk), then he should be held accountable.
We hold drunk drivers accountable for their actions. We don't excuse them because they have an "illness" or because "they're drunk and don't know what they're doing, have no control", etc etc. We hold them ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, REGARDLESS!
And that's the point I'm making. Ollie doesn't ge a free go just because he was drunk. He was rude and deserves to be called on it.
And to make my point even further, we have yet to hear an apology from him. So not only was he drunk and out of control, but he's not even the least bit sorry for it.
In my mind that kind of makes it worse, don't you think?