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Lonnie's right. But I will say this. I know a lot of recovering alcoholics who work around alcohol. But you have to be comfortable in your sobriety.

Personally I stayed out of bars for the first two years. It was tough because I was playing steadily as a musician at the time. I kind of snuck in the back way at first - working in a low key duo in a lounge where the actual bar was in another room. After I got comfortable with that, seeing other people drink but not the actual bar, I started working in more traditional arrangements.

As the years go on it gets easier. But there are too many stories of relapse after 5, 10, 15 years for me to ever let my guard down.

My sponsor died of a heart attack and I have not replaced him, so I'm not actively working a program anymore. What I'm doing is very dangerous, and I need to change it. AA sobered me up. It works if you work it, as they say.

Kind of got OT here but it's an important part of my life.

As for Ollie... I dunno man. I mean I really don't know him. But judging from his posts, he seems to lack impulse control after throwing back a few.

Is that putting it too kindly?

People that haven't experienced it can say it's a choice all they like (some people also think being gay is a choice). It's not - some people can just handle it better! I'll leave it at that!

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What i detest are the holier than thou liberals who want to save the world and think they know how to tell everybody else how to live, When they do get in a emergency or need help they cry wolf and even forget those that helped them. They have had everything handed to them on a silver platter and dont know what it is to fight for something. They judge and point and scorn at the homeless. They are easy to spot for they have their noses in the air and only communicate with their cliches. They think theirs is the only way and have no tolerance for others rights or creeds. They measure self worth by worldly possessions. If threatened they use words like bully and cry wolf.

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Ollie, you are making a whole lot of unfounded assumptions about me, much like your insinuation above that I would "sick" my boyfriend on you.
You assume I've never had to work for anything. Wrong. You assume I've had things handed to me. Wrong again.
I've worked for everything I've got, and probably harder and longer than most.
I've paid my dues by a long shot. So don't try and tell me I haven't.
I don't know why you're so bitter, and why you seem to think anyone younger than you doesn't deserve as much as you do, but maybe you should take a good long hard look at yourself and try to figure out why.
It's easier and much more pleasant to be happy, you know.
I am not holier than thou. I make mistakes like anyone else. But I don't hide behind excuses when I do make them and when they're pointed out to me. I apologize and try to make amends, if possible, something you don't appear to be interested in, in the least.
Instead, you hide behind the drink and use it as an excuse for your ill-mannered behaviour and get angry and combatative when people take you task for it.
Again, Ollie, grow up and be the adult you claim to be.

Diafel you are the one sitting here in total judgement and making assumptions with a few posts. It took me a long time to learn but I can explode and let it all out and in five minutes it is over with no grudges or feelings hurt. The new ones here do know how to take my rantings at times. They want to get in my face and challenge and push buttons. You do not do this with a raving drunk and not expect explosive reactions. If you do indeed work in bars then you need to know how to deal with drunks and it might be healthier here than in a real situation.

We are a family here and have our spats and heated arguments . But when the chips are down we would band together and protect each other.Some here have their faults but I dont think there is anybody here I wouldnt like to sing with.

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Ollie, I do not accept your excuses of drunkeness. I know very well how to deal with drunks. I was married to one for 7 years and still have to deal with the SOB 25 years later. I have spent over 20 years working in the bars dealing with drunks on a daily basis. Never once did I excuse ill manners due to drunkeness and I've always got at the very least an apolgy. But not from you. Because you apparently think it's OWED to you!
Apparently you think being drunk gives you a ticket to abuse others with no accounting of your actions.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
It was you, Ollie, not I, who insinuated that I would send my boyfriend after you and made thinly veiled threats towards me and my boyfriend. Not only do I find it insulting but then to have you carry on and accuse me of having a holier than thou attitude towards you only rubs salt in the wounds. You started this, Ollie, with your drunken rages and silly accusations. And you have the nerve to say I'm making assumptions and judging you???
Please!
You said it yourself, you get drunk and rage and we should all turn a blind eye to it because you're "blowing off steam".
Sorry not gonna happen with this chick. You use foul language unneccesarily and behave like a child and make insinuations and accusations against me and you can BET I'll call you on it.
Every time.
If you wish to carry on this "debate", then I invite you to PM me and we leave the others out of.
Cheers!

Yup. That's exactly it.

Non-alcoholics don't understand, and that is fine with me. I have given up on the people who don't understand that it is a disease and a genetic problem. Normal drinkers think that because they can stop after one or two drinks, everyone ought to be able to.

I will admit it seems kind of stupid to me to not see that it is a disease, considering that near-100% of Native Americans and Inuits are alcoholic if they drink. But they can keep their blinders on if they want to. Certainly the beer and liquor companies work hard enough to try and convince people it is just another beverage. If they buy that, well that is fine for them. They probably won't die if they test that belief.

I haven't had anyone yet hold me down to force the drink down my throat. Though I do know one who insists I shouldn't sing karaoke if I don't drink alcohol, I don't have to pay any attention to the loon.

What is important is that I understand it is a disease, and that if I stop taking the medicine I will drink again.

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So let me get this straight...Diafel defended Chip...she must ALSO be married to him, because under your "theory," nobody could possibly agree with him unless they were married to him...

Btw...I kind of like the "Agent 99" thing. I've always liked Barbara Feldon.

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Hmmm....if I could improve something at the karaoke bars I've been to, it would probably be the food. A small basket of greasy fries would be better than a large basket of greasy fries, but fries with less grease would be better than either...

Seasoned, baked Sweet Potato fries with Ranch on the side are good.......

Sweet potato fries....now that is something different. It seems many bars are satisified with the status quo when it comes to food.

Chip,
For a man of your experience, you would be more respected if you only care to be more helpful and not make more post like the above.

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I fry everything with pure olive oil and deep fry chicken or fries in vegetable or corn oil.

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