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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:38 am 
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Lonman @ Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:42 pm wrote:
If the singer brings in their own cdg, that might fall into the fair use catagory since they have their own tracks & the kj is not supplying them a track out of their selection.


That is exactly my idea, the customer MUST purchase their own copy of the song first.

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I would still shy away from doing the actual burning at all. Better is to have maybe a "custom" disc shipped from the supply house to thier home. Just bypass you doing the actual burning yourself. Ship direct to custy home. Takes you out of the liability loop.

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:D OK Just dont walk into one of our recording sessions or venue and start spouting your impressions of the laws. You will spend the night in the pokey and have a lawsuit which will require thousands of dollars in court proceedings.

Who's side are you on anyway? Are you a KJ or some troll that gets his jollleys off agitating people who are trying to make an honest living. Show me in a copyright revision or on a .gov website that substantiates your claims about legailities. IN THE MEANTIME GET THE HELL OUT OF MY FACE

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eben @ Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:19 am wrote:
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Let's put it in the same scenario. If you go rent the computer, download a copyrighted picture, let's say Ansel Adams' picture of the Yosemite. You put your name on it, burn it to the CD and sell it to others as just a cost to burn the disc. Do you think that is legal? Do you believe that estate of Ansel Adams will let you sell those discs to others without having to pay them royalty just because you put your name on it? Does that constitute fair use? I don't think so.


If I copy something and pass it off as mine and attempt to make money from it that would not be fair use.

If I purchase a product and then sell it to someone else for a profit, that is called retail.

So, to take your example if I download a copyrighted image I cannot sell it if I didn't pay for it. I CAN sell it if I paid for it and do not keep a copy for myself.

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karyoker @ Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:00 pm wrote:
Who's side are you on anyway? Are you a KJ or some troll that gets his jollleys off agitating people who are trying to make an honest living. Show me in a copyright revision or on a .gov website that substantiates your claims about legailities. IN THE MEANTIME GET THE HELL OUT OF MY FACE


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classickaraoke @ Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:34 am wrote:
SwingcatKurt @ Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:58 am wrote:
My suggestion to you to avoid ALL OF THIS is to offer to let the custy search for the song they like on your terminal, at the bar, ORDER the CD for the custy over a legit karaoke website like www.karaoke.com or similiar, let them pay on-line over your machine on THIER credit card and have it shipped direct to thier home.

No need for YOU or the BAR to be involved in any unathorized reproductions or duplications, yet you are still providing a value-added service(which I believe is the ACTUAL ORIGINAL INTENT--to offer a service that none of your competitors offer). Now THAT you could charge them for with no repercussions for anyone! You would be then offering a KARAOKE ORDERING SERVICE for them.

Then if they want to record themselves, they can get a karaoke machine and do it themselves(which you could help them order and charge a bit more for that help and service---you could call it a "KARAOKE CONSULTING SERVICE" :) ---maybe even charge a fee to go to there homes and help set up thier karaoke machine and show them how to use their new gear, offer and charge for "KARAOKE TRAINING" and show them how to record something ON THIER OWN! Offer it as "A COMPLETE KARAOKE CONSULT AND TRAINING SERVICE"!! A win-win for all--u offer a NEW AND UNIQUE SERVICE, custy gets what they are after at a fair price and the bar benefits from now having new custys come and see and get the service for themselves while selling them a drink on thier visit.


That's pretty much the essence of what I was saying.

begin hypothesis....

The customer makes the legal purchase of the song from a legal download site. The customer rents the equipment to record their voice and burn it to the cd, jumpdrive, whatever. I provide the 'consulting service' as you describe. I sell them an empty jump drive or blank cd which they may choose to use on the equipment they have rented.

Perhaps one way to do this would be to have a separate laptop or one of those nice recording cdg disc players, especially the one with 2 sd card slots, one for playing, one for recording.

end hypothesis.

I'm not talking about someone copying a song from MY library, as that would be an illegal duplication.

Yeah I know this war of words will never end with someone still claiming what I propose would be illegal but there you go.

Jonn


OK, so let's hypothesize further on that analogy. Let's say you own a high quality printing shop. You have the printers that can reproduce the image quality exactly as the original. Someone brings in an original of an artist, let's say a Haring. He brings in the painting he bought and wants to make high quality copy of the artwork and sell them. Since it's a copyrighted material, do you think you will be liable in a lawsuit later? Of course. Just because you had nothing to do with the copyrighted material, you just rented out the equipment for others to profit from the painting, does not mean you have not committed an illegal act.

Matter of fact, you try to take a copyrighted material to your local printing shop for reproduction with full knowledge of you profiting from it or not, they probably not do the work for you.

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