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The club will be about 3000 square feet.

What is the budget. We have heard this question before & then the response was no more than $1000 for everything.
How is the club laid out, is there a central stage? Does it have weird angles/corners that the sound must travel around or is it wide open from front to back?

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Is this an installed system, or are you a mobile guy looking for a new rig? Do you need to budget for music also? All statistics are made up, but 80% of karaoke singers do not care if the sound system is crap or not as long as you have the songs they want. So don't forget to buy plenty of music, or hire a KJ who has that covered.

If you can post some pictures of the space, or draw the floor plan a little, that would be cool. Is there a booth where the KJ will sit? Do you have a stage and/or dance floor? Do you want lights or just sound?

My system is used about 20 hours a week in a slightly larger venue, and I have around $5000 worth of sound reinforcement equipment there, plus mics, computer, TV, etc. etc. It's slightly over-kill but I spend all the money I make DJ/KJing on equipment and music.

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Best you can buy means "price is no object without overkill", I assume.

You don't need a Meyer or EAW system in only 3000 square feet. So we will specify:

Yorkville LS800P subs, powered, 1500w 2ea
Yorkville Elite EF500P main speaker, powered 800W, 2ea
Yorkville Elite EM378 - Monitor - 350w, 12 inch / 2 inch
DBX Driverack 260 speaker processor
Allen & Heath Mixwiz WZ3162DX 16-channel mixer
dbx 1046 compressor
Lexicon MX400 Dual Stereo/Surround Reverb Processor
Shure ULX wireless receiver / transmitters, SM58 head, 3ea
Shure ULX wireless receiver / transmitters, Beta 87 head, 2ea
Shure ULX wireless receiver / transmitters, WA57 head, 1ea
Custom-build DJ booth with rack mount for all
Rackmounted Windows PC
CompuHost hosting software
Soundchoice Foundation + Bricks
Chartbuster Country Essentials
Chartbuster 70s-80s-90s essential packs, both rock and country
Chartbuster subscription for all new disks
Tricerasoft gift packs with immediate download

Ideally you would engage a consultant to help you price, install, and configure it all.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I guess we have different definitions of over-kill.

The dbx 1046 doesn't have a limiter if I remember correctly. I think a limiter is almost essential for karaoke mic channels. Those huge thuds from dropped mics are no longer a potential source of damage, and you don't have to fuss with the knobs on the compressor for screamers, nor get surprised out of your seat when it happens.

Think that's about 8 wireless microphones too, quite a few! I use 4 now, but I do not think I want more of them out than that. Some idiot tried to steal one of mine earlier this week, and I would rather not try to keep track of too many of them out at once.

Do you think a Tricerasoft subscription is worth the ~$900/year?

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The 1046 does a have a separate peak stop limiter on each channel.

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ah I looked up the 1046 and it's a gate/expander that is not present on that unit. Not really essential, but can be nice to have. You can only put so many knobs on a 1U signal processor without it saying "Behringer" somewhere.

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The 1046 is a quad compressor/limiter. The 1074 is a quad gate/expander.
The 1046 is actually based on their single channel 160. Very simple to use. A threshold, ratio, output & the limiter itself.

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Got the numbers wrong -- only meant to spec one wireless headset, for a total of 6. One Beta 87 is for special singers and a duet mic in need, one 87 or the wireless headset is for the host, two SM58s for singers, one for a ready spare.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Shure should hire you as a salesman! I bet they get as many converts from you as they did Roger Daltrey I would really like to try a KSM9 but I can't justify the cost.

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I like their mics OK, but my stable includes others. I tend to use a Sennheiser 935 or EV N/D767 given my choice.

What I like about the SM58 for karaoke is:

1. Cardioid pattern, better than supercardioid for inexperienced singers.
2. Easily-replaced grille when dented.
3. Good sound.
4. Very low handling noise.
5. Indestructible, yet replacing grille for $5.00 makes mic look new again.
6. Everyone knows it, excellent comfort factor.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Mckyj57 -- You are correct about overkill.

Sorry, the space will actually be about 4000-5000 sq. ft. It will basically be a square with a stage at the front. The KJ booth will be to the side of the stage. This will be an installed system. I just need the system right now, will talk about the music and lighting later.

Mckyj57, will the system you specified still suffice?

This question is far more complex than being able to give a specific answer without knowing certain details. If you are planning on installing the system yourself then the Yorkville's are a save way to go, but you would probably want to go with Yorkville U15P tops instead of the EF500P's. There are just to many variable's to be sure of what you need. If you are having the room setup by a professional then there are other options to explore. The dimensions are critical as well as placement, as you want your sound to appear to be coming from one spot. I work with a sound company that does installs all over the country and I just know the type of information we need to be accurate. So I guess my fist question is, do you plan on installing the system yourself?

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I think Mickey's setup is a bit over-kill but in an installed environment where it will be used probably 5 or 6 nights a week, as opposed to light-touring KJ duty where you might work less, the equipment will pay for itself.

If it were me I would probably spend around $4000 - $6000 on the sound reinforcement system, then add mics, TV, etc. If the space has a tall ceiling I would fly a couple of full-range cabinets and use a front-fill to cover the area directly in front of the stage, and find a good central location for subs.

A couple of other things, if you intend to do bands as well, make sure your system is setup for that. You will not want to mix from a typical KJ booth location for a band, so installing a house snake with the fan-tail in a good front-of-house position is important.

Finally, make the KJ booth accessible so customers will talk to him/her. I would never want to KJ in a place where I was sitting behind a wall making customers feel like they can't spend as much time as they want trying to come up with a new song to sing or whatever.

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I think perhaps the OP really has more than just Karaoke in mind, but that is purely speculation. I don't feel there are enough details known to give an educated suggestion, thought or opinion other than don't put anything in the signal path that begins with the letter "B". Dispensing advice at this point could lead to a lot of expense for a totally ineffective system. If you are going to do a permanent install you just don't go around hanging a speaker here and a speaker there. There is a science to system design. Right now all that is known is the room is apparently somewhere around 70X70 with an unknown floor plan, acoustics, obstructions, ceiling height and full intended use. My crystal ball just isn't that good.

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But daym the Meyer C-1s with 700HP are so sweet. Love our Yorkville NX 520s and 700s but Meyer are the tops but who has $10,000 for one top.

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This system will not be soley for karaoke, but mainly for karaoke. It will be in a building 20 ft tall. I just need a close ball park figure of how much this will cost at most.

I mean, if you want the best system money can buy, then it depends on what you feel is just enough gear without going over-board.

I have used a house system at a local bar a few times, it was setup for live music and I babysat the equipment when they had "black DJs" (not to be racist, but you know the loud hip-hop, don't care about blowing speakers or spilling beer on wedges type.)

They have a great system with mostly Yamaha front-of-house, random second-hand wedges, a cluster**** of used amps, a Soundcraft LX7ii console, and Behringer signal processing. The room is about 30x60 with ~20 foot ceilings. The full-range cabinets are flown, which results in good, even coverage for not a lot of power. Subs are center stage on the floor. The whole system is driven by a Behringer EP2500 and a Mackie ?1400 amp with a couple smaller ones for monitors. If you had to replicate it, it could be done for probably $7000 in gear, plus time/labor. The guys who installed it are very smart and made great equipment choices within the owners' budget.

So don't go crazy on a $20k system. Buy stuff that works. You are not providing nearly enough information on the forum to get good, solid advice; but if you want a "good enough" system, $7k in gear will be sufficient for karaoke and weekend, in-town bands. Don't forget to add microphones and such; I am only talking about the sound reinforcement system.

Engage a local expert to help you. My guess is you need a lot of hands-on help with your install anyway. Don't forget to buy lights and stuff, too. The venue I mention in this post has probably $4000 in stage and ambient lighting, and it took them serious time and a man-lift to install it all.

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