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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:51 pm 
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oneofakind864 @ Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:33 pm wrote:
Thanks for clarifying that! I totally understand why this would affect bass voices but why would this be a bad thing for a soprano? I never made that connection. Why would a soprano even notice a difference if the lower frequencies are what is affected?

Also thanks for defining the difference between cardioid and super cardioid!(where does hyper cardioid fit into this?) I knew the 104 had a smaller cone than the 105- but I had it backwards- I thought that cone was boosted rather than suppressed. I was thinking that a 105 would feedback MORE easily rather than less. :dontknow: Guess that's what a "singer" gets when she ends up stepping into the land of the soundman! LOL

and here is the biggest indication I have NO clue about mic's other than some I like some I don't..."what is th difference between a condenser mic and a dynamic mic?" I know they operate differently- but I'm talking about the sound of the two. I was under the impression that the condenser is much more sensitive and can pick upt very subtle things in a voice...I thought dynamics were "the workhorses" that were durable and had a good- even great sound- but i didn't think they were in the same league as a condenser mic( based on the price they aren't- LOL) What benefits does a condenser have over a dynamic and vice versa? I've always used dynamic but as a show recently one of the other vocalists had a shure ksm9 and he ket me sing a song through hus mic- OMG! What a difference. I can't even explain it..if I were to describe the difference I'd say the ksm9 was 3 times juicier than my dynamic sennheiser 935. It literally took about 30% less effort to make the song sound like I wanted than it does on the 935- THAT's why i thought it would help me cutting through a loud mix. I've never gotten to use the Neumann but 3 different soundmen who are familiar with my voice have reccommended the 105 to me in the past 3 years. I figured it must be something in my voice that made them think that. but hey- I'm open to suggestions. I have both the ksm and the kms105 to try side by side in the store at the end of this week. I'm going to ask if i can use both at my jazz club to see them is actual action. But i am learning so much from this forum- thank you guys from the bottom of my heart! :worship:



Sorry, just noticed I missed this post from you. So even though you've got your mic, I'll answer your questions just for general education purposes. First, I have never understood why people complain that the low-end roll-off would be bad for a soprano. I've heard that argument before and it's never really made a lot of sense to me.

Condenser mics do tend to be more sensitive in terms of pickup pattern than dynamic mics, however the real benefit of a condenser mic is the improved frequency response. Especially as the diaphragms get smaller, the range of frequencies a condenser can reproduce evenly far exceeds that of a dynamic. Additionaly, condensers do a better job of capturing subtle harmonics and transients that sometimes get lost on a dynamic mic. This is of major importance when it comes to recording. The big benefits of dynamic mics are their ease and durability. Dynamic mics do not require an external power source and generally stand up to road abuse better. There's a reason your Shure comes with that nice padded case. Hope that helps answer some of your questions.

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so Tony...what do you think abou the idea of a dynamic mic that sounds like a condenser. When I was researching my mics- I kept running across soundguys who work for shows like America idol, the Today show, Jay leno...etc...and all of them seemed to be in agreement about a telefunken m80...they said is was a 250.00 mic that had the durability and feedback rejection since it;s a dynmic mic...but that it sounded like a condenser. How can that be- given that "sounding like a condenser" would also make it more likely to feed back if it was that sensitive ? Do I have that wrong? I'd be interested in hearing your...or anyone else's opinion...about the Telefunken m80. if it's that Good...I may have to replace my sennheiser 935 witf it as a back up mic for when I'm in crappy rooms with no soundman and lots of backwash noice..I KNOW my Shure would go nutz in a room like that. You even heard of it or even used one?

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oneofakind864 @ Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:45 am wrote:
so Tony...what do you think abou the idea of a dynamic mic that sounds like a condenser. When I was researching my mics- I kept running across soundguys who work for shows like America idol, the Today show, Jay leno...etc...and all of them seemed to be in agreement about a telefunken m80...they said is was a 250.00 mic that had the durability and feedback rejection since it;s a dynmic mic...but that it sounded like a condenser. How can that be- given that "sounding like a condenser" would also make it more likely to feed back if it was that sensitive ? Do I have that wrong? I'd be interested in hearing your...or anyone else's opinion...about the Telefunken m80. if it's that Good...I may have to replace my sennheiser 935 witf it as a back up mic for when I'm in crappy rooms with no soundman and lots of backwash noice..I KNOW my Shure would go nutz in a room like that. You even heard of it or even used one?


Paula, I do not have direct experience with that particular microphone. However, their claims that it performs like a condenser I believe are based largely on the expanded frequency response of that particular design and a step-up transformer that they use to produce a higher overall signal level. So based on that I'm thinking you'd probably get pretty good quality out of it compared to other dynamic mics, but I'm not sure how it would truly stand up against a true condenser mic.

As far as feedback, as long as you properly set the trim (gain, input attenuation, whatever you would like to call it) properly at the console, condensers shouldn't be any more prone to feedback than any other microphone. Background rejection is more related to the mic's pickup pattern. That along with your gain structure and resonant frequencies of the venue and equipment will determine how much you have to deal with in terms of feedback.

Sorry I don't have more specific information for you on that mic, I've never used it so I can't speak to how well it performs.

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