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hiya drizz, i'm not a bass singer i just have alotta low tones to my voice and alotta my range starts down there....i try to use different tones in my voice for different songs r effects, not sure how to explain it...i guess what i'm trying to say is when i sing a song thats high i try to give the elusion that i'm kinda sorta up there when i'm not....ok i know that didn't make sense....l...i feel/think that we each have high's lows and mids in our voice and we can tap into each one as we choose r try to, just like i feel we all have soft, hard, easy, and power to our voices and we can decide what that song calls for and do it....kinda sorta....but then again i could be all wrong it kinda works for me...i'm not trained r anything i just go with the feeling...

my biggest problem is i no longer have falsetto and some songs i try to do you HAVE to have it....i'm trying 1 now and at the very end he pops into falsetto... the song is I DON'T WANNA CRY.... by the Gatlin Bro. and i can't find away around it....grrrrrrr.....i guess i could hire Milo to hit it for me but she charges....but shes worth it... tc

Billy you could do "Rainy night in georgia" and SLAY them! It's not just about range...like I was telling Turi...there is a LOT more to a song than hitting the notes. I'm sure Turi "Hit the notes" in unchained melody...but did he do it with the finesse the righteous brothers(or several of the umpteen thousand other singers I've also heard do it) welll dunno...never heard him actually sing. If he'd nailed it "as well" as the righteous bros- he would have been in the top 10 either way You have have soul(not the R&B kind but the passionate kind) to sell that you believe the lyric..I've heard you sing MANY times Billy... you "got it" Get your butt out there and enter a contest! Talent quest in Laughlin would love you...so would the WKC contest turi was just in.

Don't be playing all "shy" with me buddy...I got your number! You KNOW you can blow!

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Nah, I still think it was a bit dodgy.

I nailed the whole song didn't look at the screen or anything, and I had a tonne of people come up to me telling me what a great voice I have etc.. etc..

The old dude they felt sorry for gets to the stage he got to every year because they feel sorry for him - he's some old guy with a speech impediment and looks like he's about to have a heart attack and die at any given moment, they seriously felt sorry for him - I felt sorry for him.
The chicks were good looking but couldn't sing for crap.
It was dodgy - the end.
I know because I was there and you'd be amazed at how many people came up to me in shock because they thought I was going to win it, and didn't even make top 10.

This same dodgy crap happened to the dude who won the competition a few years ago according to what I've heard (I wasn't there), but he didn't make it past the round I failed on, and went on to win the entire competition the next year.
From what I can gather he just fell victim to this dodgy crap somehow the first time he made it that far.

But I'm going to try again next year, 'til then I'm focusing on my music.

I'll have to find a way to record myself somehow - I'll try get someone to film me at the next karaoke I go to or something, I dunno, the sounds always dodgy when you hear it filmed from karaoke though, it always turns out all tinny and weird sounding..

I wish I had the net at home so I could just record something and upload it there, still wouldn't have a way to record but ehh I'll figure something out, if you'd seen me or heard me I guarentee you would agree with what I've been saying.

When I first started singing I was absolutely horrible, I thought I was awesome but I taped myself one day and it was disgusting I was cringing.

So I kept doing it over and over and eventually I thought I was actually good enough to show people, so I'd show my friends and they'd want to join in when I recorded myself and stuff.. so yeah, I know I have improved vastly as a singer and I've also improved my stage presence ten-fold since this competition started, most likely because of your posts oneofakind - I do actually listen to what you say and actively put it into action when I go sing.

The judges spoke to the person who runs the karaoke I go to usually, since she was there for support, and although I have a great voice they reckon it's not a singing competition it's a karaoke competition.

I don't understand what that means but I'll try again next time, maybe I appeared nervous or something?
I don't know.

But now that I've been there before, if I make it next year I won't feel the nerves since I'll know what to expect.

..as for broadway, well it puts me to sleep, my mind exploded when the broadway chick won.. it was horrible.
She done "Cabaret" by Liza Minneli I think.. it was just really fake.. I didn't expect her to get into top 10, but admittedly she did something different (well, almost, there was a broadway guy too but he was absolutely horrid), the whole broadway thing just reeks of insincerity... even the way she smiled it was just really not quite right.

But hey, at least I know to do something unique and unexpected next year, which is what I got told to do this year by someone but I pretty much shrugged it off.

Bring Him Home is a great song but I'll have to buy a fake beard to pretend I'm a old man to make it look right - sounds like a decent idea actually haha, but I'm thinking of like "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" or something just as random as that for next time.

Oh well, I won't dwell on it but I will be continuously trying to improve my stage presence until the next one, since I KNOW it's something I lack.

why buy a fake beard you have a year just grow one....

and i know how you feel it seems like every contest i enter its always the horrid people that win....i really hate that.... ....

how old are you and how long have you been singing? your saying you went from being a self proclamed horrid singer to being better then the righteous bro.? thats impressive.....i've been singing all my life and i'm just a tad better then they are now.... ...ok more then a tad but i don't like braggin....besides there not really brothers anyway....how fake is that? tc.....

hi, well iffin i had IT I would have won IT....ll...kkk i know what ur talking about...but no contest for me....but ty for the comments...and thats my problem i am shy.....kinda sorta...ok a little...well i use to be shy when i was a kid....l...

OneofaKind, I agree with what you wrote... especially this part...













Which is it??? Your Stage Presence has improved ten-fold, or you Lack Stage Presence??? I don't think you listened to Oneofakind at all. I know you didn't listen to me. Like she stated, you only agreed with what you wanted to hear. Anything beyond that and you made up a world of excuses why you couldn't or wouldn't do that.



Turi, from your post about the contest, you lack HUMILITY. All you did here was pout and moan about how unfair the judging was. I agree with Oneofakind, that if you're as good as you say you are, you would have placed in this contest (even without a Stage Presence). Maybe the one "Hot Chick" who sang "Cabaret was bad, and maybe the "Old Man" got the "Pity Vote," but what about the other 8 people that won???? I didn't see you post ONE SINGLE THING about anyone else's performance. All you said was that YOU were the BEST. OK... so you were the best. What were the redeeming qualities of the other performers???? Even if you had placed, there would have to have been 9 other winners alongside of you, and you only spoke of 2 of them. Be humble and give credit where credit is due.


I was just in a contest 3 weeks ago and I didn't make it. The grand prize is an All-Expense paid trip to Jamaica. It's an ongoing contest (until Mid August), but I am not available to go and try again. It was a one-shot deal for me. There were 11 contestants at the first night (the one I attended), and only two of us were male. Like you, I had many people from the bar come up to me and say how great I sounded (I sang "This is the Moment" from "Jeckyll and Hyde"). I KNOW that I was good too, but so were the others that were there. I was amazed at how good these people were (and this was just an amateur contest). From the 11 of us that performed, there were only 2 there that I did not feel were good enough for this competition.... one did her own medly of Elvis Presley songs (and played guitar to it). She was entertaining, but her vocal quality left a little bit to be desired. The last woman sang Etta James' "At Last" (unbeknownst to her (because she arrived late), someone else had already sung that song (much better than she did)). After the judging was done, there was a three way tie, so they had the 3 women that they picked do a Sing-Off of 1 more song. They were all deserving of that, but I felt that one of the other 2 women should have won over the one that they finally chose.

Like the others here have said, I can't even begin to judge your singing, because I have nothing to go on other than your word. Everytime you spoke of your singing, you spoke of how people approached you and said how good you were. I've told you the same thing about me.... BUT the BIG DIFFERENCE BEING, I recognize these people as either being nice or just not knowledgeable enough (when they tell me that I should be on Broadway). You, on the other hand just kept going on about all the comments, and stuck to your intitial decision to sing "Unchained Melody." It was suggested that you practice the song multiple times at home, and your response was that you would sing it one more time when you go out to a Karaoke show. And then, all you said was that you "Nailed it" because everyone was cheering. Again, being out at a local bar, most of the people there know you already. You probably can carry a tune well, and that's what they responded to.


As for your comment about Broadway being boring, that's just ignorance speaking. Broadway songs can be very powerful (both vocally and emotionally). You just have to know how to connect with the song. I've gone into bars where I've never appeared before, and pulled out "Bring Him Home" or "Music of the Night", and I have experienced where the whole place suddenly became very silent until I finished. Then I would get a lot of applause and the people would approach me later and say how much they enjoyed my singing. Most of the Broadway shows that I sing from, I have never seen. "Bring Him Home" from "Les Miserables" was one such song until I finally saw the show in it's last run on Broadway a few years ago. After I saw this song performed on stage, I was in awe over the performance that that actor gave, so much so that I couldn't sing that song for months. I had to find my connection to that song again so that I could make it mine. It wasn't easy, but I did it.

i do agree i must have the IT....BECAUSE EVERYONES ALWAYS SAYING ...he's so full of IT....I just smile and ty them and move on....

I'm thinking that "I" need to enter this WKC championship contest next year...based on what turi said all the top 10 at a regional level seriously suck and the judges obviously have something against Turi... it would be like taking candy from a baby

Not that I'd ever take candy from a baby- though on second though is Candy GOOD for babies???

I'm thinking if all I gotta beat is 10 hot chicks who can't sing...a pathetic old man....and turi (who they apparently have it out for)...well DANG....That's EASY...All I can say is "Come to Mama" for that prize!

PS Turi...ya STILL haven't listened to a thing I said that you didn't already agree with.

I'm going to point out something...misery LOVES company. in EVERY SINGLE CONTEST...there will ALWAYS be people who are unhappy with the verdict. Actually, other than the WINNER...EVERYONE is usually unhappy with the verdict. In the 5 international contests I won---hardly anyone came up to me and said "WOW GF you REALLY deserved THAT" ..but in EVERY SINGLE CONTEST where I HAVEN'T won...there were MULTITUDES that came up to me and said " I thought you were much better then the winner" It goes with the turf...people don't like to "Not be the best" It's human nature. And since there is only one winner--there will be LOTS of people unhappy at a contest. All that " it's an honor to have gotten THIS far is usually TOTAL BULLSH-T! It's the nature of the beast to try to share those sour grapes. In the contests where I looked the person trying to get me to whine in the eye and said "I thought it turned out EXACTLY the way it should have ________ was GREAT! And he/she deserved to win!" ....The would be complainer can't get away fast enough.

Turi...you are STILL hearing only what you already believe in. I'm in a toss up over weather the judges simply didn't like you....which HAD to be the case if the other talent was THAT BAD....or if you are still giving yourself too much credit. (BTW- if it really WAS "dodgy" why would you waste the time and effort to go BACK to that contest? That's begging for pain) I've done more contests that I can count and I've only seen 2 that were 'suspicious" One was where they brought in a former winner to be a judge. The girl had attempted to enter again that year and had been beaten the previous week by one of my students. THAT IS COMPLETELY WRONG! If they were thinking of asking her to JUDGE she should NOT have been allowed to COMPETE! Or- if she WAS allowed to compete- they should NEVER have asked her to judge! I went to the management and pointed this out and made them discount her ballots(which showed a MARKED favoritism when compared to the other judges scores) The other was a contest where there were 5 potential winners and the local girl(not one of the five)- who couldn't sing for sh!t won. I was there rootin for some friends as "support" because I was the previous year's "winner". That was so bad that when the National franchise called me as the previous winner and asked ME to judge- I had to disqualify myself on the grounds that the girl from my area was someone I was biased against. When I flat out told the national director what had happened and that his national show didn't NOT get to see the best talent because of local politics- He was REALLY ticked! They changed the format to prevent THAT from happeneing again by eliminating regionals. Oops I digressed...Again...whichever the case may be- it is in YOUR BEST interests to stop coming across like a cocky a-hole. Even if you don't sgree with the outcome...you need to just say "Hey there's always next year" you don't ever need to degenerate the other contestants with the belittling comments you have made...AGAIN- even after i tried to tell you how unattractive it is. Turi- you got beat by count them. ONE-TWO- THREE_ FOUR- FIVE_ SIX-SEVEN- EIGHT-NINE- TEN people- that's assuming that you came in 11th. You need to work on a LOT more then your stage presence. I'll repeat myself...if you have a voice even close to what you have said yours is- you would have been in that top ten--unless the nine girls and the old man were under the table giving away BJ's to the judges.

You need to work on your attitude...you seriously need some humility

you need to put aside your tendency to brush off constructive critisicm and LISTEN when people are trying to help you--not just myself either. You won't gain a thing if you let all the fluffers in the showcase blow that ego up any more than it already is. There are precious few who will take the time to offer you HONESTY. brucefan4life, bluestainedshoes, myself, operakitty, cueball and a few others would probably give you the effort it takes to tell you what can be improved on...trust me it's alot easier to tell someone 'hey you are great" and lie through your teeth-- than it is to be honest to help someone with their weak points.

You need to stop bragging and allow others a chance to PRAISE YOU....trust me on this- in a contest- you become your own worst enemy if the other contestants just don't like you enough that they get to the point that "they just want to beat YOU rather then winning the contest" if you run your mouth like you have here- it gets back to them...and you light a fire under them to WIN! It also unites them against YOU. Have you stopped to think that some of them...or the people that RUN this contest you entered may be READING this thread???? if so- you are a dead duck my friend.

Besides...if the contest is that big...and the talent is THAT weak...I seriously need to look into getting into it...like I said CANDY from a BABY!

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Maybe he presented himself as "King Turi," and that displayed an attitude that the judges resented.

Thank you for reiterating my comment about HUMILITY. Also... LMFAO at the BJ comment.

You are absolutely right about people resenting a show-off. There was one local contest that I said I was not going to enter... that is, until this one braggart came by. This guy was one of those freeloaders (sips water all night and has 1 cup of coffee (plus a dozen free refills)). Nobody could stand this guy, but nobody ever said that to his face. I'll give him his due... He really could sing. One night, I got so fed up with his constant bragging (that he was going to win and leave everyone in the dust) that I then decided to enter... just so that I could (hopefully) beat him and knock him down a peg or two. Sounds exactly like what you just wrote (above).

BTW... I placed 3rd in that contest (won a 19 inch Color TV), and he didn't even make it into the finals.

I marvel at some singers whose egos are FAR too healthy and do not nearly match their abilities. Have to wonder who it was that fed them for years that they were just "fantastic!" I don't enter contests - don't think it would be fair since for years I've been able to sing for at least a partial living...but at times I just think for a second that I'd love to help someone regain a more realistic ego and walk in to a contest. I have NEVER bragged about my abilities as I think that every time I sing I learn something more about my abilities - technique, showmanship, etc.

I had my operatic debut last week - sang "All I Ask of You" with a very well trained young tenor. He was very supportive as I was absolutely shaking and scared to death....I can't even REMEMBER the last time I was nervous on a stage. At any rate, I mentioned to more than one person that it was going to be a very humbling experience for me and I absolutely MEANT that. At the end we received fantastic applause, and I personally received a lot of really nice compliments but would certainly not consider myself as a fantastic opera chanteusse. Just doesn't even enter my mind. So I wonder, still and on, how these people get it in their heads that they are 'the best.' ARGGGG!

ONEOFAKIND!!!!!! I was really enjoying reading your post until it got to this point

"There are precious few who will take the time to offer you HONESTY..andygirl, brucefan4life, bluestainedshoes, myself, operakitty, cueball and a few others would probably give you the effort it takes to tell you what can be improved on..."

How do you add a woman who is completely tone deaf to your list of people that are willing to be honest about singing? This woman receives nothing BUT FLUFF whenever she submits a song on the Singer's Showcase. This is exactly how people like Turi get a big head. One Fluff Queen Fluffing all of the others. She has every right to sing and sub songs but call a spade a spade. She has ZERO singing talent and no ear for music. She is the last person that should critique anyone's singing.

Ooooh Bruce you are NAUGHTY!:o I know exactly which one you're talking about!! - but I've seen her dish out some pretty concise comments when asked to. PLus...you don't always have to sing to be able to offer advice to others...all ya need to be able to do is "hear" ...look at Simon, Randy and Paula...the first 2 definitely CAN'T sing...and you could argue about how good Paula is...but bottom line..if Turi really wants honesty- I think these people I listed could offer it. Then again that is a HUGE IF

But it's doubtful if Turi will ever submit anything. I have a feeling that he only wants to hear the fluff..and will blow anything else off as "us being bitter" or not knowing what we're talking about. I've had students like him They just don't wanna hear it if it's not praise.

But I'll tell ya what.. YOU go on and quote me in another post after this one only you omit the one you think shouldn't be leaving singing advice and tell Turi to ignore her-teee heeee Does she know ya feel this way about her? (snort) YOU ARE MEAN! I'm laughin my tail off... but you are heartless dude! I thought I was bad...nice to know I'm actually pretty darn nice compared to you. Go ON Wit Yo BAD self!

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First of all CONGRATS ON THE DEBUT Karen!! Regarding your outlook on singing- most really good singers have this approach...makes sense when you think about it....how can you improve if you don't feel you have anything to learn? (as I said to turi earlier) Regarding you entering a contest...in most of the really big ones(that offer cash prizes) there are lots of pros in them. yeah I kind of avoid the locals...but when ya get to that national and international level...if the money is good enough then it's just "business" as far as I'm concerned. You should do your thing and not worry about "fair or not" there are too many people who get paid to sing that enter for you to even blink about entering yourself. Bring home the bacon GF!


BRUCE Baby..since you were SO upset at one of my people I suggested would be honest I edited the one in question out...Happy Now???

Que= you are most welcome for the good laugh...I thought the BJ stuff was pretty funny too...I've often joked about that when an less than stellar singer won a contest..ya know the saying goes..."if she can't blow on stage..she probably does elsewhere if she's winning money"

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The thing that kept me reading this thread was Oneofakind's well worded and interesting posts.

I also teach , and hope you don't mind if I 'borrow' the way you worded a few things, Oneofakind, from this and the other threads you started . They do not come across as arrogant at all.
All you basicly did was say 'I have accomplished these things, and this is what I have learned and the insights I have gained that I am sharing because they may help others out .
Arrogant would be if you had said 'I have accomplished these things because I am sooooo great, and everyone else I competed against murdered their songs and I can vocally toast all others', which you didn't say.

King...I don't know how good you are , but honestly,even if you are the greatest singer in the world and we all suck compared to you, if you come across in person with the attitude you put across in this forum, it won't help you win contests,or friends for that matter.

Hmm, well, contrary to what yous think, I actually have been taking in the advice and applying it.
I still have (@$%&#!) all stage presence, but I do have more than when I first joined this site.

I am going to upload something when I figure out how to record something clearly and get it up onto the net, I'll probably upload something with me playing the guitar or something, it'll take a while though since I have no idea how to do it clearly - my laptop mic sucks and I don't have the net at home anyway, but I'll figure somethin' out.
I will get somethin' up though.

As for the comp well whatever I'll try again next time, but I met the lead singer of some band I didn't know (recognized him from somewhere though), and he wants me to go to his record company sometime and see what happens since he said if he can make money off his voice he doesn't see why I can't make money off mine.
So I dunno, I'll see what happens.

I guess I'll have to get something uploaded so you fellas actually grasp that I'm a decent singer.

Not for nothing but, you still come across as one who lacks humility. Even after several of us pointed out things that you said about your experience, you haven't said one positive thing about any of your competition.... IMO, with your "Whatever" comment, you appear to come across as someone who doesn't care what anyone has to say about this because you are right and nothing else matters.





Who is this Lead Singer? What Band? Is he from a professional band that we may have all heard (recently or over the years), or some local band that just plays in your local Night Club area?

The comment about him making money off his voice so he doesn't see why you can't make money off yours is not necessarily true. Be careful there... he may be trying to con you out of money. Having a Recording Studio is not all that difficult to set up (if you have the musical knowledge of what equipment you need for that type of set-up).

What does this person intend to do... record you and make copies on a CD for you to sell in the street? Do you think you're going to be able to sell your CD in a Music Store (such as Sam Goody's, HMV, Tower Records (are they still in business?), etc...)? In order to make money off of your singing, you have to be recognized by the public. Other than local Karaoke shows, where have you performed that I might be enticed into paying (let's say) $10 for a CD compilation of your songs? Have you been on Television? Have you been an opening act to some other Head-liner Band or Singer that had a Concert in or near your city?

I've heard some phenominal people sing at Karaoke, but they're not professionals, and I have never been interested in purchasing a collection of their singing. Somehow, I don't think the people that have come up to you (with great praise) at the shows you've been to would be much interested in that either.

I'm beginning to believe that "KING" Turi is more Jester than King. This guy expects to win contests and he can't even afford to buy his own karake machine and a few CDG discs so he can practice at home. He seems to make every excuse to explain why he can't post an example of his singing on the Singer's Showcase. He believes that every other singer in his most recent contest endeavor is a hack and that he was robbed because he "believes" that he is head and shoulders above all of his competition. Excuses Excuses Excuses !!! Put up or shut up Jester.

PREACH IT Bruce! (eyelashes furiously batting) Can I get a witness? Testify the TRUTH my man!

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Asides from karaokes and open mic stuff (I play guitar) I've been a wedding singer before (a couple heard me at karaoke and made me do the song they wanted done as there wedding song, and then "gave me the job" so to speak), so yeah, I'm not a bad singer.

I'll get something uploaded soon if I can't well at TAFE we have to record an original song as part of the certificate so yeah, I'll have something done either way.

To quote you....

WHATEVER.