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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:48 pm 
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I've done some research and would like to spend around $300 to purchase a DVD Karaoke full system for practice and home use.

I narrowed my choices down to 2 models:

a) CAVS DVD-305G
http://www.cavsusa.com/product/H_player/dvd305gUSB.htm

b) Vocopro Gig Star
http://www.zzounds.com/item--VOCGIGSTAR

Please exam each model for their features and advantages as I am not a techie.

1) From your experience, which model do you prefer?
2) If you don't have experience with either, from looking at the links, which one has better features and SOUND better?
3) If you don't like either, in a $300 price range, what other DVD full system would you recommend?

Many thanks in advance!!!


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I probably would go VocoPro before CAVS any day. The VocoPro looks like it would last longer from use than the cavs. Plus the cavs probably loads slow. Plus the Vocoro comes with wired mikes. I own a Vocopro wired mike that sounds as good as my shure PG58 wired mike and it's durable. I've had it since 1997 and it still works like a charm.

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Vocopro mics DO seem to work fairly well. I sang on a set of wireless ones and was pretty impressed.

But if you do a search on Vocopro on this site, you'll see not many people are fans...


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I would go with the Cavs. True, it does load slow, so it is not suitable to do a pro show. The VocoPro isn't pro quality either. The mic may very well be better than the Cavs, the ones that come with their players is definately not pro quality either. What the Cavs will give you is the ability to build you music library much cheaper than the VocoPro. The cost of the Chartbuster, Pop Hits Monthly, and DK Super CD+G's so low now, you can build a great home set for a fraction of the cost of regular CD+G's. Many here hate Sweet Georgia Brown, but you can buy a single disc with 1,200 songs for $70. You can run a nice little house party with that.

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AND the problem with Cavs for the home user is one single scratch and you're OUT 1200 songs!!

Wowsers!


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fsapienjr @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:22 pm wrote:
I would go with the Cavs. True, it does load slow, so it is not suitable to do a pro show. The VocoPro isn't pro quality either. The mic may very well be better than the Cavs, the ones that come with their players is definately not pro quality either. What the Cavs will give you is the ability to build you music library much cheaper than the VocoPro. The cost of the Chartbuster, Pop Hits Monthly, and DK Super CD+G's so low now, you can build a great home set for a fraction of the cost of regular CD+G's. Many here hate Sweet Georgia Brown, but you can buy a single disc with 1,200 songs for $70. You can run a nice little house party with that.

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I don't think I'm going to have a lot of CD+G in my collection. Being Vietnamese, a lot of our karaoke discs seem to be in DVD format. Hence, my interest in a DVD system.


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knightshow @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:58 pm wrote:
But if you do a search on Vocopro on this site, you'll see not many people are fans...


True, but there's not a lot of options for a complete DVD system in a $300 range. Do you have a better recommendation?




Thanks to everyone for your inputs. Keep them coming...


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sure, do it on your home computer!


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knightshow @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:19 pm wrote:
AND the problem with Cavs for the home user is one single scratch and you're OUT 1200 songs!!

Wowsers!


Load the tracks on an External HD and use the DATABASE! WHAT SCRATCH, NO DISC REQUIRED.

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fsapienjr @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:22 pm wrote:
What the Cavs will give you is the ability to build you music library much cheaper than the VocoPro.

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Years ago, that's exactly what I did!
Although the CAVS is SLOOWWW, little by little I collected a substantial amount of SCDG and CDG for a fraction of the normal cost!

I noticed different formats offering various SALES on selected Genre's.
So I added CDGFix to the arsenal.

Now, Bring It On! I can purchase Disc/Packs on sale from CDG, SCDG, NEO+G
and more. The Best part is I can switch them around anyway I want!


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Come on KnightShow. One scratch and your out 1,200 songs. If that happens to someone they deserve it. Anybody who plays original disc of any kind is not very smart in my book. If you damage the disc, they are not going to give you new ones. The Super CD+G's are just Dual Layer DVD's, and will copy with most any software. My originals (Super CD+G's) only see the light of day once a year when I recopy them, and throw out my working copies. I crack them into many pieces, so they don't exist any more.

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fsapienjr @ Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:39 pm wrote:
If that happens to someone they deserve it. Anybody who plays original disc of any kind is not very smart in my book. If you damage the disc, they are not going to give you new ones.

Depends on the manu. CDG's can be replaced - provided still in production through SC & CB, there may be others.

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Out of the 2 i'd actually opt for the CAVS. It has a couple features that i'd personally like including the USB port which you could hook up an external hard drive to if I read correctly.

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Yep, their newer models, which have been around for years, all have the USB port!
I've enjoyed purchasing SCDG discs to save money!

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fsapienjr @ Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:39 am wrote:
Come on KnightShow. One scratch and your out 1,200 songs. If that happens to someone they deserve it. Anybody who plays original disc of any kind is not very smart in my book. If you damage the disc, they are not going to give you new ones. The Super CD+G's are just Dual Layer DVD's, and will copy with most any software. My originals (Super CD+G's) only see the light of day once a year when I recopy them, and throw out my working copies. I crack them into many pieces, so they don't exist any more.

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The original question was directed at a HOME user... and Home Users are NOTRIOUS for not being as precise as we Professionals. Not saying it's not possible to find someone as meticulous as us, but the sheer danger is there. You've seen the way casual users treat original discs. You haven't been around here long enough to remember the threads where even KJs come on here and ask how to restore a scratched dvd, and the scdgs...

And as a home user, are they going to have the expertise to copy the SuperCDGs?? So I'll use your words against you, jr...

C'MON!!!??


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The Cavs is a more compact model with a cassette recording feature, which would be cool.

Right now, I'm leaning towards the Vocopro. It has EQ for the mic, which is a convenient feature. Also, It has more woofers and a "better" mic, thus better sounds?

With this Vocopro Gig Star model, can I hook it up to my computer or other SOUND recording devices to get DECENT quality sound recording of my god awefull performances???


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Gold, any machine with RCA plugs can be hooked up to an outside mixer. In fact, most people should hook up through the mixer to get good sound, and then they can use an out of the mixer to an outside recording device, be it a computer, a stand alone recorder, etc.

Most of your home machines can use a home stereo or even the TV for sound, but it sure isn't recommended. Live vocals through the mics will just destroy average home speakers... they are fine for recorded sound, but the live input of mics will make the home speakers fuzzy! Maybe not right away, but over time...


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knightshow @ Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:56 am wrote:
Gold, any machine with RCA plugs can be hooked up to an outside mixer. In fact, most people should hook up through the mixer to get good sound, and then they can use an out of the mixer to an outside recording device, be it a computer, a stand alone recorder, etc.

Most of your home machines can use a home stereo or even the TV for sound, but it sure isn't recommended. Live vocals through the mics will just destroy average home speakers... they are fine for recorded sound, but the live input of mics will make the home speakers fuzzy! Maybe not right away, but over time...


I assumed that both of these models have RCA plugs, so that won't be a problem.

Just for my own understanding of the recording chain:

Vocopro/Cavs with its own speakers -> RCA plug -> Mixer -> Recording Device

Note: The Recording Device will record my vocal as well as the background music, and the Mixer will manipulate the recording sounds such as volumes, trebles, mids, lows, etc... Correct?

I did some research and found out that I shouldn't be using the home system speakers for vocal. Thus, my desire to purchase a complete, stand-alone system such as Cavs or Vocopro that have their own built-in speakers.

This post is just my way of reconfirming my understanding. If any of it is wrong, please correct.

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goldenbuff96 @ Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:57 pm wrote:
knightshow @ Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:56 am wrote:
Gold, any machine with RCA plugs can be hooked up to an outside mixer. In fact, most people should hook up through the mixer to get good sound, and then they can use an out of the mixer to an outside recording device, be it a computer, a stand alone recorder, etc.

Most of your home machines can use a home stereo or even the TV for sound, but it sure isn't recommended. Live vocals through the mics will just destroy average home speakers... they are fine for recorded sound, but the live input of mics will make the home speakers fuzzy! Maybe not right away, but over time...


I assumed that both of these models have RCA plugs, so that won't be a problem.

Just for my own understanding of the recording chain:

Vocopro/Cavs with its own speakers -> RCA plug -> Mixer -> Recording Device

Note: The Recording Device will record my vocal as well as the background music, and the Mixer will manipulate the recording sounds such as volumes, trebles, mids, lows, etc... Correct?

I did some research and found out that I shouldn't be using the home system speakers for vocal. Thus, my desire to purchase a complete, stand-alone system such as Cavs or Vocopro that have their own built-in speakers.

This post is just my way of reconfirming my understanding. If any of it is wrong, please correct.

Thanks!!!

If you are using a mixer, then don't plug your mics into the karaoke unit. The sound on the vocals will be much better going through the mixer. Put the mics & the karaoke player into the mixer. Get one with built in digital effects and you'll be doing good.

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