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That's just not true. The Karaoke Manufacturers, PHM, SC, CB have ALL tried to make downloads feasible. THey've told US (we, the members of their various website forums, emails, etc) that they've been told NO, every time.

With our current structuring, it's totally up to the copyright holders and their media controllers HOW the media is released. Again, I'm not saying you're not barking up the right tree... we all are. The problem is, it's just not as simple as you're painting the picture. We've been trying that for the past six-eight years. BC, the former Production Manager at SC did a pretty good job keeping us involved in that.

Because she doesn't need to... MANY of us don't like the strict rules of a questionable organization with what THEY feel is appropriate. Although their path and mine are intermingled and heading to the same destination, it's just a totally different journey.

Oh ok. Everyone has the right to their opinion & I guess they can voice it "off-topic" here at karaoke scene whenever they want. I can accept that. I just asked a simple question & got an anti-KIAA rant from diafel. I guess that is the way it is around here.

I just work for a company that has joined the KIAA. It is a learning curve for all of us. I am asking questions to kind of figure out the whole scheme of things & have to mention the KIAA in posts. When I do, I seemed to get hammered, along with the KIAA, everytime it is mentioned. In my apology to Dan Dan, ( If anyone read it ) I clearly stated that I am not here to promote or recruit anyone into the KIAA. All I see are assumptions from many posters here who maybe have not read the time lines of posts then jump to conclusions. I don't know but it seems that there is only a handful of regular posters here at karaoke scene & they all have pretty much the same opinion on the KIAA, which is ok. However, I do not think the culmination of all of the karaoke scene clique opinions is really a good barometer of the entire USA/Canada KJ communities opinion on the KIAA in my opinion. Since the Sound Choice suit has been filed, the KIAA has been bombarded with requests for assistance by KJs in communities plagued with pirates just so you all know.

So I guess the topic "An open call to Chartbuster, Sound Choice, PHM" has everything to do with the KIAA since a simple question was asked about "7 Bamboo" and if they were the same folks who reside on the Advisory Board of the KIAA. I now have been enlightened that 7 Bamboo is in fact the same folks, so we can get back on topic.

Perhaps 7 Bamboo is advising the KIAA on mp3+g downloads strait to HD. We don't know yet since we have yet to contact them to ask. Also, in our conversations with Sound Choice, they are working on a direct mp3+g system. Right now I only think they are going to do what PHM, aka Stellar Records, is doing with whole year collections & monthly updates on mp3+g discs at first, then perhaps a legal download site in the future. We have yet to speak with Chartbuster on the subject.

Ok, on with the discussion on the topic at hand....

Well..... I might point out that YOU are the one who brought it up in this thread, not me.
You might want to think before you chastise.

Are you also a member? If not then your boss can not have you working for him, according to KIAA rules. Also, if you ARE a member, then you obligated to "Help spread the message of the KIAA" according rule # 8 of the KJ terms and obligations.


Who said it was? I give my opinion and only my opinion. Sorry if you don't like my "rant" but again, YOU brought it up. Maybe you should have asked in separate post, as someone else here did, if you didn't want the "highjacking".
I'm sorry if I mistook the tone of your question, but I stand by what I wrote.

Thank you for putting it so succinctly.

This goes to prove diafel that you jump to conclusions & speak only in assumptions.

First: Yes, I have a membership with the KIAA since I work as a KJ. However, just by generally working for the company I am involved with, say as a website designer, that designer is not required to be a member of the KIAA. Just the Company as a whole & the KJ hosts or subcontractors need to hold memberships as stated on the KIAA website:

http://www.thekiaa.org/other/faq.html#M2

"I'm a hosting company with employees and/or subcontractors using multiple rigs. Will one membership cover all of my employees and subcontractors?"

"No, every host will be required to have an individual membership in the KIAA. Your company can purchase re-assignable individual memberships in cases where the employee or subcontractor is not already a KIAA member and has no intention of acquiring a membership. These annually renewable memberships can be re-assigned to different individuals as often as needed. Currently there is no re-assignment fee, and a new card with the same membership ID# will be issued identifying the new individual as an employee or a subcontractor of your company. The previous individual will be removed from the database and will no longer identify him or her as a KIAA member."

Second: KIAA members are only required to educate "our" venues, not everyone we talk to, or every public forum we post to, as stated in rule #8 of the KIAA's terms here:

http://www.thekiaa.org/terms_kj.htm

"8. Help spread the message of the KIAA by educating your venues on piracy issues by discussing with them the problems of karaoke piracy and how it impacts the karaoke industry."

diafel, I find that you quoting KIAA guildlines out of context, or in partial quotes as in your post, [Also, if you ARE a member, then you obligated to "Help spread the message of the KIAA" according rule # 8 of the KJ terms and obligations.], is passing along mis-information about the KIAA. By continuing this practice really shows me, as well as other people on this board who have a brain, that you really do not research anything before you go off on your assuming rants. This all really shows that you have little to no credibility in your opinions, at least on this subject, in my opinion....

We thought very clearly. We asked a simple question about 7 Bamboo's affiliation with the KIAA & we get an anti-KIAA rant from you as well as you assuming I was implying something!

Whatever.... Maybe YOU should do a little thinking yourself diafel....

Again, YOU are the one who side-tracked the thread , then complained about the highjack, not me. Get over it. I did a long time ago.
I'm not going to argu with you any further. I have my opinions about the KIAA which you clearly disagree with and that is your right, just as it's mine to have the opinions I have. I refuse to get in a war with you or anyone else about it.
I 'm moving on. Good day.

Again, another mis-statement by you diafel....

I did not side-track the thread. You mentioned 7 Bamboo & I asked a simple question about 7 Bamboo. Sure, it involved trying to find out if they were one in the same as the 7 Bamboo of the KIAA. I just wanted clarification... Instead, just because the KIAA was mentioned, we had to hear your ranting & raving about them...

So tell me, why do you quote things out of context? Is this just to give you strength in your opinions or do you just not read through stuff?

I just want to get the facts, not have a war....

Again, YOU are the one who side-tracked the thread , then complained about the highjack, not me.
I'm not going to argue with you any further. I have my opinions about the KIAA which you clearly disagree with and that is your right, just as it's mine to have the opinions I have.
Yes, I obviously mis-read rule # 8. Excuse me. But that doesn't negate anything else I said. Just try to find a link to what the Labels have to agree to. There doesn't seem to be one and indeed it goes directly to paypal without any further obligation on the labels' part! As for assuming about the 7 Bambo, I already corrected myself in another post and I do not understand why you wish to go on about it.
I refuse to get into a war with you about it. It's over.
Get over it. I did a long time ago.
I 'm moving on. Good day.