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BTW..I started this thread because its the people that consider their tip as a bribe for special treatment that annoy's me. When certain customers will not accept my no negotiation policy I would like to have something that gets them out of my face so that I can get back to the cool people. Thought maybe someone might have a creative idea.

Bruce isn't a host, but he is a singer. A frequent karaoke singer.

I can't for the life of me remember ever telling someone "you're not the kind of singer I want at my show", unless they are a troublemaker... wanting to be treated equally and fairly is HARDLY a troublemaker.

Bruce and I have had our serious differences, but he'd be welcome anytime to a show I host or am a customer of!

We welcome Bruce or anybody else to our shows. However you must realize we dont offer the typical karaoke only format. We will offer full hospitality and recommend another show that caters to your taste and possibally give you a ride. Welcome To Greeley Colorado..

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There is an old saying something about birds of a feather flock together, nothing personal Matt - but you'd be better off staying on the side lines of this one.

Bruce - Let me correct you
I'm not a rebel , I believe and run a fair rotation and do not solicit BRIBES. And I also stated I do not accept cash for special treatment. I also don't have problems with KJ's who do accept cash to bump someone. OCCASIONALLY - not every rotation - not 5 times a night . But sure on the FULL MOON night when some idiot wants to throw $20 $50 $100 at the KJ ...GO for it.

I have a REAL problem with people like YOU- sitting in their seat counting and watching every singer and every request that is handed in just so they can CRY to the KJ if they think they've been skipped or someone sang out of rotation or someone sang a duet already. I wish I had the count on how many times you posted YOU WALKED OUT and will never be back to a show. Let me clue you in ..you will eventually run out of shows to go to. And one more thing --my scenerio of the dying old lady was EXTREME ..but makes my point--YOU WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. Let's say I put a singer up in front of you one night ..FOR WHAT EVER REASON ....Is that reason to complain? Is your life so empty that you need to worry about waiting and extra 5 minutes. Are you that shallow that you count how many times Bob sang compared to you ?? For cryin out loud relax and enjoy the show. And I'll state for the record -- All singers are welcome to my show -even the idiots ... I don't like idiots but I treat them fairly and let them sing. If they complain and never come back...It's ok

To the OP
If you don't want to be bribed or tipped ..Get big Freakin sign made that states :
OUR POLICY IS THE KJ WIL NOT ACCEPT CASH TO SING SOONER- BUT IF YOU WANT TO BUY EVERYONE IN THE ROTATION A DRINK AND PERSONALLY ASK THEIR PERMISSION IF ITS OK...GO FOR IT

power position! waaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. sounds like delusions of grandeur to me. A bar employee is a bar employee. Your crowd dictates what you play not you. I wouldnt want to go to a karaoke show with a host that thinks he has some superpower because he can talk and turn knobs. Everyone wants to be a rockstar these days.

I'm sorry that keeping track of a dozen or so people is so hard for you to handle, JAM. Why does anyone have to sing out of turn? People hand you song requests and you put them in order. What is so difficult in keeping those slips in the proper order. Why do feel the need to make excuses for yourself and people like you? You call other people idiots for complaining about the fact that you.......just might be an idiot. By reading your posts, it's obvious that you had a problem with your English teacher. I guess he or she expected you to do the right thing(homework) but you didn't think that rule applied to you either. Karaoke singers can't help but notice who sings before them and who sings after them. It gives them a clue as to when they will be singing so they are not outside smoking or in the men's room when they get called up to sing. If Bob has been singing behind me all night and then all of a sudden Bob is singing before me, I can't help but notice the mistake. If the KJ can't keep track of his rotation, maybe he should try to find a job where there is less planning involved. There are plenty of karaoke places that I no longer go to because I like to be treated fairly. There are also plenty of karaoke places that I still patronize because the KJ knows how to run a fair rotation. You still haven't mentioned where your GREAT SHOWS are JamKaraoke. I Googled JamKaraoke but couldn't seem to find any shows listed under that name. Come on! Let me know where I can find the BEST Karaoke shows in New Jersey. Pretty Please!

Do I have to get a job as a waiter to know when I'm getting good service or not? Do I have to become a Chef to know if my food is prepared the way I like it? Do I have to be a mechanic to know that my car isn't starting after I just got it back from the shop? You DON'T have to be a KJ to know the difference between a good KJ and a bad KJ. Someone mentioned the PRESSURE of being a KJ....... YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING! YOU HAVE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN A LINE. How tough can that be?

While it is not necessarily a tough job, it does have it's moments.
There is a little more to it than that Bruce, maybe you should try it sometime before you go critisizing others.

You have to sit at a table or on a bar stool and wait for your name to be called! Now I ask you, how tough can THAT be?

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It is apparently a major hassle to some .

A karaoke host is NOT an easy job. It's a lot of fun, but easy it is not. Putting a sound system together, maintaining it, printing books and maintaining them, buying songs (the right ones!), printing song slips, etc... just to get the show running! Dealing with the unexpected: Computer crashes, blown speakers and amplifiers, and a variety of other equipment failures that eventually pop up. How long would take most people to troubleshoot an issue? I can resolve almost 99% in just a few minutes. (loose cables, unconnected cables or shorted cables being the culprit in most cases... but in the spiderweb of cable it requires to put a system together how quickly can you isolate it? Oh, and did you think to have a spare on hand?)

Setting up and taking down the system, keeping the rotation moving, keeping it light, and playing host requires skill to be done well. Putting up with drunk idiots who can't wait for their turn to sing, or want to try and get up and sing with every singer, or dance with every singer, or "dirty dance" with the KJ who doesn't want to dance with your drunk, skanky, liquor fouled breathed a$$ are just some of the things we put up with. It kinda gulls me when some jerk has the nerve to ask, "how hard could it be?"

I mean really.

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Thanks KK

No cutter passes for me as well as no favoritism or bribery. I accept no tips as well, looks bad if the tipper ends up luckily to have the next spot in the rotation even though I didn't bump him up there.

Oh and I would be the one jerk that would beat up a lineskipper at an amusement park because there is no way I'm paying extra to be next.

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Darn, this thread started out so nice just speculating ideas. No one said they were going to do it for sure. It was just an idea to kick around. Can we just continue the discussion by discussing how to detour people from offerring bribes.

I like the idea of posting sign.

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I tried searching for JAM Entertainment (since he stated that that is his company name) through YAHOO, and you won't believe how many others have this same name... out in Santa Barbara, and in Oxnard, CA, and there's another JAM Karaoke listed in NJ that isn't this JAM. I found an advertisement for our "JAM" and the other JAM in wedj.com.

I tried doing a search for Karaoke in NJ, and I found Joe C. listed at a few places.
http://www.karaokelistings.com/venues.a ... New+Jersey

I tried searching in Craigs List but didn't find one single mention of JAM Entertainment in there.

Jam...that seems like a lot to expect a drunk person to read. I can't even get them to read a sign that says "No profanity!"

That is the "little more to it than that" that I was referring to. Very well said KK

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Slightly more annoying than the custy that tries to bribe the Kj is the custy that thinks that just because they have been to 1000 karaoke nights that they are an expert on how to host. 12 or so people? Sounds like a pretty lame show to me and the venues that I work for would have fired me a long time ago if there were that few singers. Try a 40 to 50 singer rotation with new ones coming in from start to finsh.

Stick to your 12 or so people show so that it is easy for you to keep track of everyone's spot and thus you won't have to complain to the KJ when you think you have been treated unfairly. Sounds to me that many that have posted here would be more than willing to lose you to another show.

BTW...I had a very busy show last night and Mr. Want-to-bribe was there. I used the "buy everyone in the rotation a drink" thing and it worked like a charm. He wasn't willing to buy $200.00 worth of drinks but was still there when I did get to his regular spot.

nothing personal taken, but I'll join public comments when I please, thank you ver much!

I wonder who some of you KJs think you work for? In the markets I've worked in, a KJ wouldn't DARE play such favorites. The venue gets quite the reputation, and I've worked in some like that. The singers are more whiney because they want favoritism, and they know they have to pay to get it. The problem for me on that front is, what about the OTHER singers that are there paying their fair shair, too.

The kj is paid to do a job.

Bribery for singer fun is ridiculous in my PERSONAL opinion.

But that's okay. Keep on going... if one in my market keeps it up, I might be able to get a call from a venue saying they've had enough of their KJ's b.s.!

To those "people" who are obsessed with finding out about where I host. ---I'm not going to tell you because to be honest.....you wacko's scare me. And are crazy enough to do something stupid.

The fact is I do host a weekly show - and as stated in many posts over the many years on this sight. I host to the crowd, if there are 40 singers or 2 singers the show is molded to keep the majority as happy as I can. I KNOW THIS IS NOT LIKE MANY OF THE 100% KARAOKE SHOWS. I will on OCCASION switch a spot if too many ballads are sung. Which means if you're a singer you may be pushed back 1 spot MAYBE. I'll also play dance music if the rotation is not that large and there are plenty of dancers. I know this DRIVES some singers crazy. But my jobs not to keep the singers happy ..its to keep the CROWD happy. and in doing so I may lose some singers like BFFL ( I mean how many Bruce songs can you sit and listen to week after week) .. And Cueball who woke you up ..did you smell a situation that need you to GOOGLE ME ?...holy crap GET A LIFE !!!!