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Unfortunately, his style or quality of karaoke seems to be the norm. Many so called KJs don't now any better or just don't care. In their mind they are just great.

Taking your own discs might not be a good idea. If he doesn't take care of your discs. I have seen KJs that have ruined other peoples discs either accidentally or on purpose.

Not every KJ can have every song available, so taking your own discs will let you be able to sing the songs you want.


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angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:22 pm wrote:
Unfortunately, his style or quality of karaoke seems to be the norm. Many so called KJs don't now any better or just don't care. In their mind they are just great.

Taking your own discs might not be a good idea. If he doesn't take care of your discs. I have seen KJs that have ruined other peoples discs either accidentally or on purpose.



Good gracious, what kind of shows have you been going to? It is awful for you to be able to say that "his style or quality" seems to be the norm. I know that I pay special attention to having a quality show, and I'm sure that the KJs on this forum do the same. You should definately look around for better shows, because I don't consider this example of a show to be the norm at all.

I cannot imagine a KJ breaking a disc on purpose!! There are really KJs out there that do that???

I would suggest taking your own disc, as Karen mentioned, but if you are worried about them being sabotaged, ask the KJ if you can hand them to him when you are called and collect them as soon as you are finished singing.

Just one more thing that I'm a little confused about. Most people here on the forum love karaoke, whether they are a KJ or just love to sing, but you speak of your karaoke experience as if it has generally been negative. Do you like karaoke?? Just wondering.

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missbipbip @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:42 pm wrote:
I cannot imagine a KJ breaking a disc on purpose!! There are really KJs out there that do that???

I don't know about breaking discs - and definitely not on purpose (unless they are assuming a burn is illegal & take it upon themself to snap it), but have heard many stories from customers & from forum member about hosts that do not treat customer discs very well, leaving the discs out, laying things on them, dropping, scratching, etc.

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I would suggest taking your own disc, as Karen mentioned, but if you are worried about them being sabotaged, ask the KJ if you can hand them to him when you are called and collect them as soon as you are finished singing.

I'm a host that wants your disc ahead of time so I can get it cued & ready. But do agree with picking it up as soon as the song is over. I do have a sign out any disc left in my posession after 30 days will be mine! So make sure to pick up your discs. Have never had to act on this so I know it's not really an issue as anyone that has forgotten a disc is usually in the next night or within the next week to pick it up.

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KJs come in different catagories.

Ones that have many thousands of dollars invested in music and equipment.

Ones that are totally illegal as far as their music and they usually have cheap equipment.

Ones that have small investments in music and equipment. But think they are top notch.

Some that just barely have a clue.

The statistics for each of those catagories is debateable. But the minority fall into the first description. Everyone else falls into the others. If you haven't seen KJs in the other catagories, you need to get around more and check out what's really out there. I know my competion very well. Singers are never complaining about the good KJs.


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angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:20 pm wrote:
If you haven't seen KJs in the other catagories, you need to get around more and check out what's really out there. I know my competion very well. Singers are never complaining about the good KJs.

I don't have time to get out to other shows, however generally don't need to. People inform me all the time of shows around the areas that aren't very good.

Had a guy wonder why it was so busy the night (10 singers - dead night for me), he then sang & came back over, wow, now I know why. Best sound he'd ever heard according to him.
People tell me all the time when it's busy & they are only getting 2-3 songs in that they know of places that they get to sing all night - I ask them why is that, their answer is (almost verbatim and at least 2 of the 4), they don't have anyone there, not a very good system/sound, selection/quality of the selection or host that don't know how to run the system/rotation. I nod & smile - exactly!

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If you haven't seen KJs in the other catagories, you need to get around more and check out what's really out there. I know my competion very well. Singers are never complaining about the good KJs.


I guess I do, but if I went into a show like you're talking about, I'm sure I'd get so angry I would leave. I work too much to check out other shows. I'm working on all the good karaoke nights. I did have an opportunity this week-end to check out a show in Garner. I ended up having fun, although it was a lot of DJ music mixed in. I didn't think I would like that at first, but it worked out ok. KaraokeJerry, if you see this, I regret not getting to check yours out!! Anyway, I'm glad the few other shows I have been to were not as bad as those you speak of.

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The majority of the karaoke shows out there are fair to poor.

If you don't know your competition they will bury you. Every good business man should know the caliber of his competition. You don't think Coke knows Pepsi? They know more about Pepsi than Pepsi knows about itself.

I know all of my competition. I know the cheap equipment they use. I know their song library is crap or illegal. I know how they favor their friends. I know how they insult people. I know how they run their shows. Working steady is no excuse. I work steady too.

Many of my singers volunteer information. I will sometimes pump them for information. They keep me on my toes. But believe me i know more about them than they would ever imagine. I know when they have good nights and bad nights. I know why the lost their last 10 jobs. I know what bar owners think about them. I'm very well informed about my competition. That's how i keep working steady.


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When I say I work steady, I mean I work steady. I work Tuesday through Sunday at 5 different venues. Tuesdays I work two shows, one in the afternoon for my town and one that night. I am VERY busy, and I have two small children at home so what I know about my competitors comes from my customers. I guess I haven't really prioritized checking out my competition, because I've never really needed to. If I was scared of losing my job to one of them or just needed to pick up another gig, I might would consider it a priority. So far, I have as many shows as I can possibly handle and have two other bars that want to book with me. I've worked in my town for quite a while and have built my business on word of mouth. I guess it's been good for me.

You're right about one thing...singers never complain about a good KJ.

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angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:36 pm wrote:
The majority of the karaoke shows out there are fair to poor.

If you don't know your competition they will bury you. Every good business man should know the caliber of his competition. You don't think Coke knows Pepsi? They know more about Pepsi than Pepsi knows about itself.

I know all of my competition. I know the cheap equipment they use. I know their song library is crap or illegal. I know how they favor their friends. I know how they insult people. I know how they run their shows. Working steady is no excuse. I work steady too.

Many of my singers volunteer information. I will sometimes pump them for information. They keep me on my toes. But believe me i know more about them than they would ever imagine. I know when they have good nights and bad nights. I know why the lost their last 10 jobs. I know what bar owners think about them. I'm very well informed about my competition. That's how i keep working steady.

Wow!
I would never dream of pumping my singers for information. They come to my show to have fun, not to be a spy and inform me of what the other guy is up to.
If I had half the time on my hands as you apparently do, I would certainly choose to fill it in a different way.
I concentrate on providing a good show and generally don't give two diddly hoots about what my competition is up to. I'm far too busy to have time for that.
My show stands on its own merit and the competition can't touch me.
Maybe if you spent half as much time worrying about your competition and more time thinking of ways to provide the best show that you possibly can, then you wouldn't NEED to know what time they had breakfast and when they went to the loo.


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angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:36 pm wrote:
The majority of the karaoke shows out there are fair to poor.

If you don't know your competition they will bury you. Every good business man should know the caliber of his competition. You don't think Coke knows Pepsi? They know more about Pepsi than Pepsi knows about itself.

I know all of my competition. I know the cheap equipment they use. I know their song library is crap or illegal. I know how they favor their friends. I know how they insult people. I know how they run their shows. Working steady is no excuse. I work steady too.

Many of my singers volunteer information. I will sometimes pump them for information. They keep me on my toes. But believe me i know more about them than they would ever imagine. I know when they have good nights and bad nights. I know why the lost their last 10 jobs. I know what bar owners think about them. I'm very well informed about my competition. That's how i keep working steady.

Wow!
I would never dream of pumping my singers for information. They come to my show to have fun, not to be a spy and inform me of what the other guy is up to.
If I had half the time on my hands as you apparently do, I would certainly choose to fill it in a different way.
I concentrate on providing a good show and generally don't give two diddly hoots about what my competition is up to. I'm far too busy to have time for that.
My show stands on its own merit and the competition can't touch me.
Maybe if you spent half as much time worrying about your competition and more time thinking of ways to provide the best show that you possibly can, then you wouldn't NEED to know what time they had breakfast and when they went to the loo.

I agree, I would never 'pump' my singers for info, if they offer it, well whatever - now I know. I guess that is the reason they are regulars at our show most nights. I don't need them to tell me why I am busy. But it does reinforce the fact. When I do ask questions it's usually to someone new & how they heard about us - but that's about it. I will ask about others if someone brings it up, but never bring up other places on my own or expect anyone to be a 'lookout' for me so to speak, it's not needed.

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angel910 @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:36 am wrote:
The majority of the karaoke shows out there are fair to poor.

If you don't know your competition they will bury you. Every good business man should know the caliber of his competition. You don't think Coke knows Pepsi? They know more about Pepsi than Pepsi knows about itself.

I know all of my competition. I know the cheap equipment they use. I know their song library is crap or illegal. I know how they favor their friends. I know how they insult people. I know how they run their shows. Working steady is no excuse. I work steady too.

Many of my singers volunteer information. I will sometimes pump them for information. They keep me on my toes. But believe me i know more about them than they would ever imagine. I know when they have good nights and bad nights. I know why the lost their last 10 jobs. I know what bar owners think about them. I'm very well informed about my competition. That's how i keep working steady.



Why would "your singers" come up to you out of the blue and tell you that this KJ runs an illegal system? Most Karaoke singers don't know diddly about whether a KJ is operating with a pirated system or burnt discs, and could care less. As for you "pumping" "your singers" for information, I would be more turned off by you pumping me for information about someone else, than anything else. When I go out, I'm going out to have a good time, not to be interrogated by the KJ about how bad some other KJ is/was. Those are the types of conversations that FELLOW KJS have with each other when they visit each other's shows from time to time, and they go out to someoneone's show.


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diafel @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:14 am wrote:
angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:36 pm wrote:
Maybe if you spent half as much time worrying about your competition and more time thinking of ways to provide the best show that you possibly can, then you wouldn't NEED to know what time they had breakfast and when they went to the loo.


That's exactly what I was thinking!!

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My goal, first and foremost is to run a great show, I don't worry about the "competition." In most cases the "competition" are my friends! If I want to take a night off or take a private gig I can count on them to "cover" my night at my regular gig.

Good deals on music, equipment, etc is all shared by us. We go to each others shows on nights off for fun and support each other. I find this a far more satisfying and enriching business and personal experience that "spying" on them. If I can't take a gig, or they can't due to conflicts I give them a call. That's how I ended up with my new Sunday night... a conflict from another KJ, and he felt I would do well there.

Isn't that better? If someone complains I listen, and give the complaint the weight I feel it deserves. Like Lonman, if someone new comes in I'm always interested in how they found out about the show, etc.

This way, its also more fun! :D

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atxklown @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:47 pm wrote:
A KJ without a computer? That is now old school compared to the competition.


I am not computerized. I run off of CDGs too. I have no problem getting my songs queued up for the singer before they get to the stage. I usually have my discs lined up for the next 9 singers (3 in the machine trays, and 6 on top and ready to replace a tray as soon as it is emptied).

Running with discs went out with the Edsel. I would guess that you have many discs that are now out of print with no way to replace them. How will you replace them when they are no longer useable. You would gradually lose your entire library due to wear over time.

angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:22 pm wrote:
Unfortunately, his style or quality of karaoke seems to be the norm. Many so called KJs don't now any better or just don't care. In their mind they are just great.

Taking your own discs might not be a good idea. If he doesn't take care of your discs. I have seen KJs that have ruined other peoples discs either accidentally or on purpose.



Seems to be the norm???? Where are you from???? In my area, what you describe is the exception, not the rule!

Not all areas are created equal. Or you live in an area with a small number of KJs.

angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:20 pm wrote:
KJs come in different catagories.

Ones that have many thousands of dollars invested in music and equipment.

Ones that are totally illegal as far as their music and they usually have cheap equipment.

Ones that have small investments in music and equipment. But think they are top notch.

Some that just barely have a clue.

The statistics for each of those catagories is debateable. But the minority fall into the first description. Everyone else falls into the others. If you haven't seen KJs in the other catagories, you need to get around more and check out what's really out there. I know my competion very well. Singers are never complaining about the good KJs.


You left out a category or two (or three or four...)


I've seen KJs that are totally illegal (as far as their music is concerned) and they have Kick-A$$ sound and equipment.

I've seen KJs that have many thousands of dollars invested in their music and equipment, but they haven't got a clue (maybe that falls into your last category).

I've seen KJs that have small investments in their music and equipment, but they are always packed with people waiting to sing, and they run a top notch show.

But you prove my point. There are many that are not good to excellent. They are fair to poor.

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The majority of the karaoke shows out there are fair to poor.

If you don't know your competition they will bury you. Every good business man should know the caliber of his competition. You don't think Coke knows Pepsi? They know more about Pepsi than Pepsi knows about itself.

I know all of my competition. I know the cheap equipment they use. I know their song library is crap or illegal. I know how they favor their friends. I know how they insult people. I know how they run their shows. Working steady is no excuse. I work steady too.

Many of my singers volunteer information. I will sometimes pump them for information. They keep me on my toes. But believe me i know more about them than they would ever imagine. I know when they have good nights and bad nights. I know why the lost their last 10 jobs. I know what bar owners think about them. I'm very well informed about my competition. That's how i keep working steady.



Why would "your singers" come up to you out of the blue and tell you that this KJ runs an illegal system? Most Karaoke singers don't know diddly about whether a KJ is operating with a pirated system or burnt discs, and could care less. As for you "pumping" "your singers" for information, I would be more turned off by you pumping me for information about someone else, than anything else. When I go out, I'm going out to have a good time, not to be interrogated by the KJ about how bad some other KJ is/was. Those are the types of conversations that FELLOW KJS have with each other when they visit each other's shows from time to time, and they go out to someoneone's show.


Since the karaoke singers go to different shows during the week, they see much more about the other KJs than I do. I can put together all of this information to get real good profiles of the competition. After hearing the same stories over and over about the same KJs from many different people it isn't hard to know who's bad and why. I can use this information to out fox them. This can get me the job. Is it worth it to get a job?

I have KJ friends. I also have KJ enemies. KJs that are jealous of my success. KJs that want to do things to make me lose jobs or keep from getting jobs. Not everything is all peaches and cream in the karaoke world. Many poor quality KJs can't work steady. So they are constantly trying to get my jobs by offering cheaper prices. Sometimes the bar owners fall for this ploy. Anything to save a dollar.

I have KJ friends that recommend jobs and i recommend them. There are many i would never recommend to anyone for any reason.

I consider it an asset to know my competition. If you can't see any value in that ...oh well. Knowing one's strenghts and weaknesses is an advantage. Especially in business when it means the difference between making or losing money.

Singers don't necessarily tell me about illegal hard drive KJs but i do hear and know about them and who they are. My questioning of singers isn't under bright lights with big guys swinging rubber hoses. They are simple questions in casual conversation. I have been considering water boarding them.


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angel910 @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:05 pm wrote:
cueball @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:05 am wrote:
atxklown @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:47 pm wrote:
A KJ without a computer? That is now old school compared to the competition.


I am not computerized. I run off of CDGs too. I have no problem getting my songs queued up for the singer before they get to the stage. I usually have my discs lined up for the next 9 singers (3 in the machine trays, and 6 on top and ready to replace a tray as soon as it is emptied).

Running with discs went out with the Edsel. I would guess that you have many discs that are now out of print with no way to replace them. How will you replace them when they are no longer useable. You would gradually lose your entire library due to wear over time.

angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:22 pm wrote:
Unfortunately, his style or quality of karaoke seems to be the norm. Many so called KJs don't now any better or just don't care. In their mind they are just great.

Taking your own discs might not be a good idea. If he doesn't take care of your discs. I have seen KJs that have ruined other peoples discs either accidentally or on purpose.



Seems to be the norm???? Where are you from???? In my area, what you describe is the exception, not the rule!

Not all areas are created equal. Or you live in an area with a small number of KJs.

angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:20 pm wrote:
KJs come in different catagories.

Ones that have many thousands of dollars invested in music and equipment.

Ones that are totally illegal as far as their music and they usually have cheap equipment.

Ones that have small investments in music and equipment. But think they are top notch.

Some that just barely have a clue.

The statistics for each of those catagories is debateable. But the minority fall into the first description. Everyone else falls into the others. If you haven't seen KJs in the other catagories, you need to get around more and check out what's really out there. I know my competion very well. Singers are never complaining about the good KJs.


You left out a category or two (or three or four...)


I've seen KJs that are totally illegal (as far as their music is concerned) and they have Kick-A$$ sound and equipment.

I've seen KJs that have many thousands of dollars invested in their music and equipment, but they haven't got a clue (maybe that falls into your last category).

I've seen KJs that have small investments in their music and equipment, but they are always packed with people waiting to sing, and they run a top notch show.

But you prove my point. There are many that are not good to excellent. They are fair to poor.

angel910 @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:36 am wrote:
The majority of the karaoke shows out there are fair to poor.

If you don't know your competition they will bury you. Every good business man should know the caliber of his competition. You don't think Coke knows Pepsi? They know more about Pepsi than Pepsi knows about itself.

I know all of my competition. I know the cheap equipment they use. I know their song library is crap or illegal. I know how they favor their friends. I know how they insult people. I know how they run their shows. Working steady is no excuse. I work steady too.

Many of my singers volunteer information. I will sometimes pump them for information. They keep me on my toes. But believe me i know more about them than they would ever imagine. I know when they have good nights and bad nights. I know why the lost their last 10 jobs. I know what bar owners think about them. I'm very well informed about my competition. That's how i keep working steady.



Why would "your singers" come up to you out of the blue and tell you that this KJ runs an illegal system? Most Karaoke singers don't know diddly about whether a KJ is operating with a pirated system or burnt discs, and could care less. As for you "pumping" "your singers" for information, I would be more turned off by you pumping me for information about someone else, than anything else. When I go out, I'm going out to have a good time, not to be interrogated by the KJ about how bad some other KJ is/was. Those are the types of conversations that FELLOW KJS have with each other when they visit each other's shows from time to time, and they go out to someoneone's show.


Since the karaoke singers go to different shows during the week, they see much more about the other KJs than I do. I can put together all of this information to get real good profiles of the competition. After hearing the same stories over and over about the same KJs from many different people it isn't hard to know who's bad and why. I can use this information to out fox them. This can get me the job. Is it worth it to get a job?

I have KJ friends. I also have KJ enemies. KJs that are jealous of my success. KJs that want to do things to make me lose jobs or keep from getting jobs. Not everything is all peaches and cream in the karaoke world. Many poor quality KJs can't work steady. So they are constantly trying to get my jobs by offering cheaper prices. Sometimes the bar owners fall for this ploy. Anything to save a dollar.

I have KJ friends that recommend jobs and i recommend them. There are many i would never recommend to anyone for any reason.

I consider it an asset to know my competition. If you can't see any value in that ...oh well. Knowing one's strenghts and weaknesses is an advantage. Especially in business when it means the difference between making or losing money.

Singers don't necessarily tell me about illegal hard drive KJs but i do hear and know about them and who they are. My questioning of singers isn't under bright lights with big guys swinging rubber hoses. They are simple questions in casual conversation. I have been considering water boarding them.


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angel910 @ Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:20 pm wrote:
KJs come in different catagories.

Ones that have many thousands of dollars invested in music and equipment.

Ones that are totally illegal as far as their music and they usually have cheap equipment.

Ones that have small investments in music and equipment. But think they are top notch.

Some that just barely have a clue.

The statistics for each of those catagories is debateable. But the minority fall into the first description. Everyone else falls into the others. If you haven't seen KJs in the other catagories, you need to get around more and check out what's really out there. I know my competion very well. Singers are never complaining about the good KJs.


cueball @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:05 am wrote:
You left out a category or two (or three or four...)


I've seen KJs that are totally illegal (as far as their music is concerned) and they have Kick-A$$ sound and equipment.

I've seen KJs that have many thousands of dollars invested in their music and equipment, but they haven't got a clue (maybe that falls into your last category).

I've seen KJs that have small investments in their music and equipment, but they are always packed with people waiting to sing, and they run a top notch show.


angel910 @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:05 pm wrote:
But you prove my point. There are many that are not good to excellent. They are fair to poor.


I proved your point????????? Gee, I brought up 3 new scenarios to your 4, and 2 of them are stating that the KJs run a great show in spite of the negative attributes. I think I pointed out the OPPOSITE of your point.


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(the previous was a random and entirely off topic post. If you didn't like it, feel free to ignore it.)

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karaoke koyote @ 11/8/2009, 12:33 pm wrote:
My goal, first and foremost is to run a great show, I don't worry about the "competition." In most cases the "competition" are my friends! If I want to take a night off or take a private gig I can count on them to "cover" my night at my regular gig.

Good deals on music, equipment, etc is all shared by us. We go to each others shows on nights off for fun and support each other. I find this a far more satisfying and enriching business and personal experience that "spying" on them. If I can't take a gig, or they can't due to conflicts I give them a call. That's how I ended up with my new Sunday night... a conflict from another KJ, and he felt I would do well there.

Isn't that better? If someone complains I listen, and give the complaint the weight I feel it deserves. Like Lonman, if someone new comes in I'm always interested in how they found out about the show, etc.

This way, its also more fun! :D


Exactly! I have worked this way for many years in my area, even going so far as to loan equipment if I am not using it, and even help set them up to ensure a successful show. The reward? It always comes back, somehow in referrals, happy customers that appreciate the friendly competition, or just plain, old fashioned good karma.

Several years ago, it became customary for a group of us KJs to meet every Saturday night after our respective shows, and have a big party. Imagine a room full of KJs all wound up and having a great time together? Our business is about FUN, so why can't it BE fun? Well, it is, for me.

As for the OP. Buy your CDGs and take them to the show. I always have loved someone bringing in their own stuff, because it does keep a show fresh and fun. IF you are worried about your discs getting damaged, make copies of them (no I won't tell you how, but there is ample information to be found on Google on that subject) and use your copies at the show. Have the originals with you, in case any questions as to their legality are brought up. Several of my regulars have started doing this.


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Not all KJs are out there to make friends with other KJs. Especially when you are making money and they can't keep jobs or find good paying ones. All they want is your jobs. If that means undercutting your price they will try it. It may not work but as many times as it doesn't, it does.

The amount of karaoke nice guys compared to the backstabbers is very low. Some i would help and most i won't. And that is because of them and their actions.


What's the question i haven't answered yet?


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Man you really are in a bad town huh? I have MANY kj/company friends - enough so that I recommend my overflow business to.

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