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Buzz false, 1 truck, 10 trucks or 100 trucks, if you want a crew for the next show you had darn well better pay them. They were hired to do a job, If they did their job they get paid. In fact, most will even have a cancellation clause where if the event is canceled with less than x amount of notice they get paid anyway without ever touching a piece of equipment.

So yes, set and strike time is worth money, it's just incorporated into your rate, and giving a discount for multiple days reflects that.

Find out how quick you get sued when you don't pay people for their work. Angel the more I read your posts the more I go "How naive can one person be". Sorry but that's what your posts show.

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i have NEVER encountered a situation where a venue with a house system expected to pay the KJ less and even with their speakers I still want my mixer, effects and related equipment, mics, mic stands, cdg player, computer, video monitor, discs, books and slips

And for the reasons Diafel pointed out I never leave my equipment at a venue

I see the TROLL is in this thread also.

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Nope i've never encountered it, but that is my choice to charge how I charge - is it wrong? My equipment is insured separately from the venue so that is not an issue. I leavbe my equipment in my current club 7 days a week, would be dumb to tear it & set it daily.

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Jon gets paid to do a show. If he sings. I get paid to KJ if I'm there.

We don't need to get all technical with contingency plans for the roadies. The point is if the equipment is there and Jon is not there, Jon doesn't get paid for a show he didn't do. Before everything got off track. Jon is the show, not the roadies. Nobody paid to see one roadie. Do you feel cheated if you pay $100 for the show and didn't get to see a roadie? No because the show wasn't billed as Jon and his roadies. Nobody cares if the roadies showed up or not. Did Jon? He is the show. Without me i have no show. I am the show.

This was getting off topic back a few posts too. This topic isn't about if it's between the singers or the KJ and who is the show. Totally different topic. My price has to include me being there to do the show. And having singers to sing and spend money. If i can't make it the show is canceled. I don't get paid. If it was Jon and his unplugged show, him and his guitar and he doesn't show he doesn't get paid. He is the show, like me. I am the one that calls all the shots during the show. I make the technical adjustments during the performances. I choreograph the entire night. If it's a success it's on me, if it's a failure it's on me. That's why i say i am the show. You are your show. Nobody else can be you.

Everything I own is fully insured. That isn't going to help when the "police report" indicates that my equipment is sitting safely under lock and key while two other entities are in a legal battle over past-due rent, past -due mortgages, or heaven forbid drug violations

Insurance will also not help while I need my equipment to work elsewhere. Eventually in most such cases my equipment will be returned EVENTUALLY. Until it's clear as to what is going on don't expect an insurance settlement!

If you have proof of ownership, serial numbers documented, all receipts (which I do), hell I even have all the manuals for everything, you can get your stuff back within a couple days. But that's why it is nice to have a small back up system just in case something happened to the main. Take your music nightly (although I don't) since that would be harder to replace if something happened. Systems can be even rented.
So you would prefer to take it from your house, load it in, set it up, do the show, tear it down, load it up, bring it home NIGHTLY if it was in the club 7 nights for 15 years? More power to you. I have the equipment that is equivalent to a bands PA, not going to happen. As a matter of fact, the speakers are mounted either to the wall or flown, the amps and computer are built into a counter & all cords are ran in the ceiling.

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I just wanted to run a 100' foot snake in the ceiling and everybody from the owner on down thought it was a major project. Never happened....

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Show gets canceled you bet the roadies, who did their job, get paid. That's the way it is in the real band world. Try and hire roadies again (if you don't have your own) if you don't pay them. Yah, right. If for some reason a show gets canceled, and sound dude and roadies have done their job and the show is ready to go, it is just inconceivable to me that you believe they won't be paid. Of course there are contingencies in contracts for those things, and you bet when JBJ has a full cadre of semis and staff that travel with him, they get paid.

Even with our karaoke biz, I have a flat 'set-up' fee that is part of the price I charge - if for some reason we have to stop (like for a power outage or something like that) I still collect my set-up fee.

BTW, reading in RS this week that many acts have canceled shows this season because of poor ticket sales ... and Live Nation has even resorted to giving discounts, like 2 for 1... Recession has hit that industry hard, but I believe that paying $100 for a concert ticket is insanity anyway. Greed.

She has no knowledge of what she speaks (angel not Karen who knows). You bet the roadies are going to be paid, AGAIN, they HAVE special reserve funds for that contingency.


Hell I thought it was nuts when the price of a ticket went over $30. I was sitting looking through my ticket stub scrap book & looking at stubs with $8.50-$25 all through the 80's, then the 90's came & tickets were $40 or more. Now they are just insanely rediculous. I used to go to concerts all the time, no way I can afford to anymore - have to wonder why poor ticket sales - especially in the last year or 2.

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[quote="angel910 @ Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:39 am"]Jon gets paid to do a show. If he sings. I get paid to KJ if I'm there.



""Jon is the show, not the roadies. Nobody paid to see one roadie. Do you feel cheated if you pay $100 for the show and didn't get to see a roadie? ""




I don't care to see the roadie. I don't care to watch someone set up equipment. But where do you think the funds come from to pay the roadie? It's included in the ticket price that a concert goer pays. Period!

So if Jon Boy could magically snap his fingers and everything sets up and tears down by itself, he can either lower ticket prices and make the same profit or keep ticket prices the same and make a larger profit.

That's my last word on this debate.

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This topic isn't about the roadies so drop that already. It was only an example.

If Jon is scheduled to bring his accoustic guitar and he and the guitar don't show up nobody is getting paid. Please note: No roadies will killed or injured in this scenario and all safety precautions were used.

No Jon, no pay. No me, no pay.

I mentioned that I agreed with Diafel that the risk is too great leaving my equipment overnight in a venue






Which is it? Proof of ownership or insurance?
I couldn't get insured without a description of the equipment and serial numbers.

Backup systems........I have several but one doesn't duplicate the other

settin up/tearing down? When i use a house system the only savings I have is not bringing speakers and cables

Angel, so if I've read your post correctly, if you set up a show, and during the show you happen to get sick, EVEN if you have a partner, or helper, there's NO SHOW. Without YOU, there's NO SHOW. THAT is the height of egotism. You REALLY believe it is ALL about YOU. It has NOTHING to do with the singers that show up, or ANYTHING else, it's ALL ABOUT ANGEL. Good luck with that attitude lady.

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I have all serial numbers, receipts, pics of the equipment.

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How many people was ELVIS? They only buried one. Would you pay to see his stand in? Is that the same as seeing him?

How many people are you? Nobody is me. Nobody does my show but me. If I can't be there then i didn't do my show. How hard is that? And how is that ego or attitude?

True Tim. My parents lived thru the great depression. It formed their belief system and ways of doing things for the rest of their life. They knew how to bargain and horse trade with the best. Some know how to compete and some dont when the competition is at it's greatest. Attitudes, demands, egos or bragging does not get the best gigs.

Businesses that dont have common goals and bonds with everybody involved will not prosper. I can holler at owners and they can holler at me but we sit down and rectify whatever problems we have and devise strategies. It is give and take on an equal basis.

I will stand by my comment about petty arguments. Compare the comments to real business or practical business meeting proposals.

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HOW IS IT EGO?????? Let me see, so far you've compared yourself to Jon Bon Jovi, also being a doctor, and now Elvis. If THAT'S not EGO, what do you call it.? If you're soooo TALENTED, why haven't we heard of you before, I KNOW I haven't. And if you're THAT GOOD, what are you doing hosting karaoke at a bar, and WORRYING about your competition down the street STEALING YOUR GIG? If you're as good as Bon Jovi, and now Elvis, why aren't you HEADLINING IN VEGAS. Give me a break, lady, you're ON something, or maybe you need to be ON something. You DEFINATELY NEED HELP. Maybe you can come back and hold an INTELLIGENT conversation, after being TREATED. I'M DONE!!!!!

Rosario

I never said i was like any of them i just used some examples that obviously didn't matter. I'm nuts and need medication? That's nice.