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I need to put together a system 500 - 1000W that is light and simple but quality is very important.
It is for two ladies that will sing to backing tracks. Not to do karaoke.
They will set up on their own. They are not technical or strong.

I like the EON 515's. Full range and light. Bass is important.
Are there a less powerful or older version that are cheaper.

Also I need something like the Alesis MultiMix6FX but good quality.
It has the features I want and it does not look technical.
2 x XLR, Phantom, 2 line i/p, FX. and an aux out to feed a monitor.
Size is not important on this but simplicity is.
FX only need to be a few good reverbs / delay.

It could be a mixer amp & passive speakers. I dont know which way to go.

I really need your help on this one.
Thanks, Jerry.

A Yamaha mixer with effects on board. An amplifer to fit the speakers. Or powered speakers.

There are very few if any (I can't even think of one off hand) mixer-amp that can push 500W at 8ohm/ side. A power speaker route maybe a good option.

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I'd agree about the Yamaha mixer, get one of the MG series (the MG82CX would probably be the right size for what you've described). Even the small Yamaha boards are good quality and will give you on-board effects so you don't need any outboard units like the Alesis. Then add in a set of powered speakers. Personally, I'd recommend the Mackie SRM-450's over the EON's from my personal experience with both, but everyone's got their own opinions. Honestly, you could probably even get away with the SRM-350's to save some weight and still get plenty of low-end response for the backing tracks.

That would be a very easy setup and would meet all of your needs IMO based on what you've described.


** To answer your question about the EON's, the EON G2's were the predecessor to the 515's and could be found used for a pretty good price. The original JBL EON's, predecessor to the G2's also had a 15+Horn but were only rated at 180W each. You can find these around used for pretty cheap and having used them myself, the sound quality is pretty questionable.

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The MG82CX does indeed look exactly what I need.
Even onboard compression.
I have the SRM450's and they would be too heavy, although the V2 claims 11 lb lighter and more bass.

Has anyone used them ?

Can anyone give me a comparison between the SRM450 and the new 450's The v2.
Also haw do they compare to the EON 515's.
Please...

Honestly, my opinion is the Mackies are a far better cabinet design than even the new EON's. The newest ones are better than their predecessors but still have issues in the low end because their cabinets just aren't rigid enough. The new SRM-450's sound great and haven't changed a whole lot in that regard from the previous generation.

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If you're thinking Mckie, then go Yorkville NX55. They sound better good bass, great warranty, almost impossible to kill them.

http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?t ... =22&id=339

If you're looking for used, try to see if there are any NX520s or 550s out there. They are earlier versions and still sound great. We've had out 520s for 8-9 years now, playing 6 nights a week in various bars. We use two Rubbermaid tubs to transport them in to protect them. Pics of them are in my gallery.

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And they weigh even more than the Mackie SRM450's which the OP already was worried would be too heavy.

See Jerry, this is what I tried to say before, you're going to get a lot of opinions and unfortunately most of the time they're based on what people own themselves, not what's best for your application. I gotta run right now, but I'll give you a more detailed comparisson of the Mackie and EON's a little later.

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Jerry

Since you posted here I'll assume you want various opinions not just Ones "expert" advice.

From suggestions received here I've been using a YAMAHA EMX 512 POWERED mixer. Pushes 350w x 2 @8ohms ( 500x x 2 @4ohms)
#1) extremely Light 20lbs
#2) on board effects and built in compression
#3) simple to hook up
#4) can TILT up so can be worked by the singer
#5) Quality built and time tested unit
Seems to fit your needs ???? for about $569usd

From the speaker standpoint thats a tough one as you mention BASS is important but needs to be lite weight ? You did not mention a budget to stay within so their are endless possibilities for speakers. I recentlt started to use PEAVEY PR15n- 37lbs 15" speakers. I find them to be clean sounding. The BASS is their but not CHEST THUMPING as with a sub or some heavier wooden cabinets.

I also understand the QSC powerd speakers are LITE and AWESOME sounding but pricey? Good luck

Geez Jam, I hope that isn't a dig at letitrip. I and many others valu his expertise as well as that of all of the more knowledgeable members.

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Jam's got a good idea as far as the powered mixer and the Yamaha would meet your requirements. Going with Passive speakers would also lighten the load significantly. I'm not a big fan of the Peavey's but they are extremely light.

As far as the comparisson between the Mackies and EONs, here's what I can tell you in more detail now that I have some time to type. The first thing I noticed about the EON 515's is their bass response gets really sloppy. When pushed to higher volume levels, you can hear the cabinet rattle and distortion that almost sounds like the result of poor damping. Conversely the Mackies have a really tight bass tone even at higher volume levels. The cabinets seem to be pretty rigid and don't make the noise that the EON's do. The EONs really show up strong in the mid-range. When you get around the cross-over point there's a definite rise in response. Not something I'd typically expect with an active crossover network. The Mackies seem to be engineered to remain more flat across the crossover point. The horns on the two are pretty comparable although the JBL's do have a wider dispersion. This means better high-end presence in the near-field but it drops off quicker as you get farther from the speaker.

Hope that helps.

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letitrip

I know what you mean about the Peaveys. I just purchased them to use at my outside patio gig where the CHEST THUMPING BASS is not required. ( and in fact TOO MUCH bass is frowned upon due to the noise ordinaces and grabby neighbors)

I've yet to see a liteweight speaker that has GREAT BASS and is AFFORDABLE.

Eh, no worries RLC, glad to hear you find my rantings useful. I'm sure I annoy some on this board because I speak my mind and don't pull many punches. I call it out when I see something that isn't accurate and do split hairs sometimes when improper terminology is used. It's all in an effort to help people understand better, but I'm sure it rubs some the wrong way. It also doesn't help that I've made a few bonehead posts recently where I either mis-read or failed ot understand properly the post I was responding to and went off in some bizarre directions. But I'll always admit when I was wrong as you'll notice in those threads.

Doesn't mean I like to anger people but sometime being matter of fact and objective has that affect. I wish it didn't but them's the breaks.

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Yeah I think in the case of the Peavey's what makes them so light weight is also what kills the base response. Smaller magnet on the driver and a light weight cabinet. It's the old triangle of Quality, Low Price and Features. You can have any 2 of the three but not all three.

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--no dig intended, it just "seemed" his previous quote and post was a "dig" at
timberela and his Yorkvilles and other opinions ...


See Jerry, this is what I tried to say before, you're going to get a lot of opinions and unfortunately most of the time they're based on what people own themselves, not what's best for your application. I gotta run right now, but I'll give you a more detailed comparisson of the Mackie and EON's a little later.

I'm all apologies if my post was taken as a dig

jerry --HOW ABOUT A LITEWEIGHT PEAVEY SUB TO GO WITH THE PR15 ?
little more equipment but might give the added bass you mentioned

Wasn't meant as a dig to timerlea personally. His post was made based on the "I think these speakers that I bought are better than Mackie so you should get them too" perspective instead of taking into account what the OP's requirements were as far as weight. He recommended a set of speakers that weigh more than another set (the Mackies) that were already identified by the OP as possibly weighing too much for the application. That would have been like me recommending the S215 cabinets that I own. Sure I love them and they are great quality cabs, but they wouldn't fit the OP's needs so I didn't mention them.

This is a common phenomenon when opinions on equipment are asked for, people are going to recommend what they have chosen because they chose it for a reason. They felt it was the best combination of Quality, Features and Price.

I have the luxury and great fortune that I've got a fair amount of experience with a lot of different speaker-on-a-stick cabinets. I have no brand loyalties, however there are budget brands that I stay away from completely (for example, Nady). But that doesn't mean I discount others' opinions, I honestly find everyone's opinions to have value.

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- I understand, many opinions on here are just that --peoples own experiances with their products. I've tried many things from cheap to quality and also try to give an honest opinion. I've seen some "opinions" on here where people just look up the most EXPENSIVE thing they can find and suggest its uses . Like RC said -- I value the advise of the ones with the KNOWLEDGE and expertise. And hopefully no harm no foul !!!

But I still use my NADY DKW DUO wireless mics !!!!!!!
And for a cheap set up will suggest them

getting back to the OP

The BOSE set up ???? I've read for vocal groups and entertainers the sound and set up are ideal ?

When I first started in Cabaret, I used that mixing desk. . . and still do when testing things out at home. The Fx are very suited to my voice and it is simple to use.

Weight wise the V2 mackies are suitable weight for most girls (and / or anyone who dislikes lifting). . . I have no problem with their weight at all. Plus they have two handles on either side.

Do check out the reviews on them though, they tend to be mixed, and I personally wouldn't buy them (I think they are over priced for the sound quality and their reliabilty).

Once again, I highly recommend the Alesis for the Job. . . I don't need mine anymore now but I'd never part with it.