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I take this stance because innocent people have been wounded and killed by shots into the air. This is why LEO and the military have put this practice to pasture. You want a warning shot then it is aimed to the ground. However, I would never use a warning shot just a shot to the centre of body mass, if the situation warranted.

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If you would discharge a weapon in a downward direction in a dim lit crowded parking lot in a matter of a few seconds and you are not sure where people are the you are an idiot.

I grew up with firearms They are a tool They have put meat in my freezer all my life. I do not have an emotional attachment to them nor do I want to apply pages and pages of laws trying to control idiots that dont know how to use them because they never had one.

Ok all you experts can have it Im done having to defendg every flippin thing I comment on this #$%^rorum..

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Simple if the area is that populated you do not discharge your weapon in the air. Quite frankly if three guys or whatever were comingon me and they didn't comply, one of them would have been going to the hospital or morgue. I didn't make that decision, they did.

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Whatever Wyatt Earp If you have Google Earth fly to 37 25.818N 122 05.36W for a view of your heavy populated area. There is more coyotes per square mile than people.

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To me it's no different than going to the mall at night, being a woman. I don't carry a firearm, but am cautious. I never never walk to my car alone or unsupervised.

If someone actually pulls a gun on me I'd rather just give them my money than pull a gun and risk getting shot. My life is not worth the money in my pocket.

Being assaulted in other ways is my fear. Park in a well lit area near the entrance and always make sure your not alone.

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To me it's no different than going to the mall at night, being a woman. I don't carry a firearm, but am cautious. I never never walk to my car alone or unsupervised.

If someone actually pulls a gun on me I'd rather just give them my money than pull a gun and risk getting shot. My life is not worth the money in my pocket.

Being assaulted in other ways is my fear. Park in a well lit area near the entrance and always make sure your not alone.

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I wish I could tell you the results, but I didn't watch the whole episode. MythBusters did an episode on objects/ bullets falling back down and the damage they can do. The test subject was a pigs head. I'm not sure on the out come, but from what I caught, I think it would skin penetrate but not the skull. Again, I didn't see this whole episode.

Just my 2 cents.

I did watch the whole episode and they proved that no matter what they shot a falling bullet would not do enough damage to kill anyone. They went out to the desert and fired various guns into the air and when they found where the bullet had landed it only penetrated the dirt by less than a couple of inches and the sand is a lot softer than the human skin.

I'm with Karyoker on this one I to would have fired into the air in a non-populated area firing into a asphalt or concrete parking lot only causes ricochets which could result in you shooting yourself. Some LEO's think they know it all just because they have had some training and have never ever fired a gun other than at a target on a controlled gun range. I like Karyoker have had numerous hours carrying, hunting and shooting various types of weapons and am willing and able to protect what is mine from no matter who or what.

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For those would who like to google the area.. Launch google earth... Search sterling co... find business Ramada It is the one East of I76 The above incident was 25 years ago in the parking lot.althiugh the population has not increased that much Examine the territory to the East.

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Actually they confirmed, plausable and busted the myth. Busted, if the weapon is pointed staight up at a 90 degree angle very few if anyone can do this, most people still have the weapon at an angle. Plausible depending on angle and distance, Confirmed again by angle, distance, and reported injuries and death.

Again, careless discharge of a firearm.

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Not at 3 am in the morning. It's a crime of opportunity. The fact that we are out late night in deserted parking lots might be that opportunity.

Baseball bats are a little conspicuous. Most gang members started carrying hammers and big wrenches as weapons. Legal to carry and still deadly if hit. Easy to conceal.

Don't worry, he never drinks.

I'm not a KJ but I carry Mace wherever I go... had to use it once & will use it again if I hafta. Gave me enough time to run away & call for help. Although I know a few karate defense moves, I rather spray the attacker in the eyes & run like hell!

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Ok, again i'm gonna jump in here and put my thoughts to this thread. I HATE guns, absolutely HATE them. However, I see the need sometimes, but carrying a few dollars is NOT one of them. If you are being confronted by someone who is "armed" with any type of deadly or harmful weapon, just give them the money and don't try to be an idiot and do something stupid to get yourself harmed or killed. A few dollars isn't worth ANY life, not yours or the thugs. The time to use a weapon is only when LIFE ITSELF is being threatened, and there is no other way to resolve the situation. Statistics prove owning a gun, you are 7 times more likely to die by a gun (more often your own) and 20 times more likely to be robbed for the same gun! I am not a gun control advocate, I am an education advocate.

If you are that worried about the surrounding you are hosting in, by all means take necessary precautions, like having someone else walk with you, park in a better lit area, etc. But if you think a couple hundred bucks is worth a life? I feel very sorry for you and your ideals. Cuz you have warped sense of importance my friend.

Again, just my own little opinion. And you know the story about opinions, just like your stink hole, everyone has one.

Like I said, take a cheque, paypal payment, direct deposit (if the venues pay their employees this way) or pick it up next day.

Firing a gun into the air is dangerous and one can be charged for it and most people do not have the training or skill to actually use a gun in a real life situation. If your jusidiction allows for the carrying of mace or pepper spray, then by all means carry it. Just remember the wind will carry so be prepared to get a faceful yourself.

As Mrscott said a bit of money is not worth your life. A lot of people have died, been paralysed, and their lives changed for the worse to protect some coloured paper and metal. The goal is to see your family and hopefully be intact.

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Tim it is obvious you have never been in a life threatening situation or have been placed in the situation of aiming a loaded weapon at a boarder and an Officer at your side giving you a direct command to shoot if he advanced more than halfway up the gangway. I have I have been in other situations that required split second decisions that lives depended upon the right decesions. Some involved fire aboard ship others involved fellow military lying in a puddle of their own blood. I am a member of the VFW.

You can sit spouting laws or whatever you want. In that situation I acted in a total professional manner from the result of years of training and experience in such matters. THe option I chose posed the least amount of danger to all involved and defused a situation that could have turned ugly.

From your comments I am glad you were not there nor would I want you as a pardner in a similar situation. Officers have injured others with warning shots that should have been fired in the air. Shooting into the pavement in a crowd is the most assinine statement I have ever heard and I sure didnt expect it from you.

Do not doubt or insult my abillity as a GI in emergency situations or ability with firearms fire control (large guns) and explosives. You have your opinion but do not insinuate that I am a civilian that acts in careless acts when you dont even have the pertinent facts You claim to be an investigator. A PI looks for proof and does not react with assumptions.

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I had some training on the use of handgun and assault rifle. In my profession I worked in very high risk, high security area; unarmed and mostly alone. I choose not to be armed and not to escorted by armed personal. That was more than 10 years ago and I am still alive to day.

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Ditto.. I do not need firearms for protection. My response to the OP was viable solutions and I have years of experience with security for gals closing bars, convenience stores and liquor stores. I never had or recommended firearms for these situations but used known and proven tactics. I could give a clinic on many security tactics.

The firearms story was meant for entertainment and humor and the next thing I know I am once again being challenged on this forum for some trivial opinion. It seems the most important thing to many here anymore is their opinion.

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In the situation that you were (as was told in your post earlier on) I would act the way you did; fire a warning shot. I see no reason to wait for real danger then draw the gun to make a kill.

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Jian It was many years ago right after I had been in the military all during the sixties. It lasted less that one minute, no one was hurt and yes cops and others got a chuckle out of it. It is not one of the significant events in my life just another moment of a long life.

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