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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:40 am 
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The hubby and I like to go to different places that have karaoke. In the past month, we have tried out 2, new to us, places and it was bad. Reading through post on here so much emphasis is on good sound, making a singer sound as good as you can .............. and if the sound is bad, the singers will leave. Well, at these 2 places, the KJ's have both been there several years, have die hard regulars and the sound sucked.

I was dissapointed b/c both places were very nice, the regular singers were friendly and boasted about how great the karaoke was, both KJ's were super nice (but didn't really run a great show, just monotone calling up singers) and had a fair rotation and yet, I felt like I was singing in a box with earplugs in. I can only somewhat carry a tune and need all the help I can get. My hubby has a decent voice and even he had a lot of trouble singing like that.

We did ask the regulars at both places if they had sang with anyone else (we only asked, did not try to encourage anyone to leave and sing with another KJ) and many of them had and named off local KJ's that I think, run a great show with great sound, and yet, these folks we talked to were more than happy to stay put. ????

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Vickie, what you speak of is so, so true. There are singers that go to sing ... and the places they choose have better sound; there are people who go to socialize, and stop socializing to sing a few times over the night - most of them really either don't care or don't know the difference. Funny as it seems, those people who are content with marginal sound may visit a place with really great sound and they may not even KNOW why their singing experience was better because it never occurs to them that there is actually a difference!

Most people on this site are fervent about karaoke and, based on the questions asked, the advice that is sought, and the discussions about different subjects, in all probability you would find the best sound in an area where these people host. Sadly, not all hosts and hosting companies are as committed and offer less than a stellar singing experience; but then, there is a great part of the population that doesn't really care.

I wish you luck in finding better sound ... it is a frustrating experience, especially for those who are new to singing or consider themselves less than a 'good' singer because it is difficult to improve without the right sound.


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Many of those who were happy to stay put were probably not so much loyal to a particular kj, but more loyal to the bar in general in this case. Prices, clientelle, etc may have played more of a factor than who is kj'ing or how crappy the sound is - which is why often times crappy shows can survive.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:49 am 
What I've noticed is that people who frequent an establishment will eventually become accustomed to the sound whether good or bad.

Some singers will compensate for the sucky vocals by cupping and doing other odd things. I can spot some regulars of other shows when they come to my shows because they bring their bad habits with them.

Some singers just want to be the best of, and even if the sound sucks, if they're the best of the bunch, they're happy. This is true for loyal patrons of establishments.

Some KJs do karaoke for the money and don't care about the sound as long as there are enough singers to keep the show in production from week to week.

I, too, find it odd that people can frequent locales with crappyoke, but I know when people leave one of my shows they remember the experience, and that's all I really care about.

If I'm out with friends, and we go to another karaoke show, I keep my eyes and ears open, but won't say anything. I'm not their to do anything but have fun with my friends.


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Vicki,
You said both places were nice. Atmosphere is all it could take. A fun place could compensate for a not so good of sound. With my wife not being a singer, I have to find a place with atmosphere to help keep her entertained. One place we'd hit only occassionally because it was a bars party room / eating area kinda seperated from the bar. A couple tv's was it. It was like you were in someones basement, and they have good sound. The KJ could really dial you in if need be.

Go where YOU have fun, :D


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CroakDog @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:49 am wrote:
What I've noticed is that people who frequent an establishment will eventually become accustomed to the sound whether good or bad.


This is a very true statement.


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I've seen it in my area too. For some people sound is on the bottom of their list of priorities. Higher on their priority list is it being a nice place, where their friends hang out and they can buy cheap drinks.

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It was years ago we did a three day gig. We co-ordinated a dart tournament, a pool tournament. a horseshoe tournament outside and took turns barbequing burgers on the outside grill. We had karaoke at variuos times and introduced it to people that never knew what it was. In this little town it was the turning point and made karaoke popular.

Since then I have hosted many types of parties and venues. A venue with more than karaoke adds to the karaoke participation and adds a customer base. There are many ways to host, present or promote karaoke.

Since then I have improved my system but a good show depends upon many other factors. Good hard core singers dont like expensive drinks for example. Some bars are nothing more than the local gathering place and watering hole. Their tastes and interests vary with their moods. They participate in many things.

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Two things....

There are GREAT SOUNDING systems with racks of equipment holding all the compoments you can think of. Then there are some systems that DON'T have all the gagdets and still sound DECENT. I've heard all types from the best to the worst and the majority of singers could care less as long as the sound was decent. SURE if you offer a side by side choice most singers could HEAR the differences ..but thats not reality.

You went to 2 places?....both with long running succesful shows and "die hard" regulars ? Goes to show you its not all about the SOUND ...obvioulsy those 2 KJ's are doing something right. (unless they are working for $50 per night lol)

Would be interested in knowing what kind is systems they had ? Maybe it was just some bad mixing ? or do you think it was quality of equipment ?


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oicclouds @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:40 am wrote:
The hubby and I like to go to different places that have karaoke.
I was dissapointed b/c both places were very nice, the regular singers were friendly and boasted about how great the karaoke was, both KJ's were super nice (but didn't really run a great show, just monotone calling up singers) and had a fair rotation
~Vicki


Interesting --- Besides the SOUND what would you suggest the KJ do differently to improve the show ???


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jamkaraoke @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:39 am wrote:
oicclouds @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:40 am wrote:
The hubby and I like to go to different places that have karaoke.
I was dissapointed b/c both places were very nice, the regular singers were friendly and boasted about how great the karaoke was, both KJ's were super nice (but didn't really run a great show, just monotone calling up singers) and had a fair rotation
~Vicki


Interesting --- Besides the SOUND what would you suggest the KJ do differently to improve the show ???


We won't be going back and for us, it is about having something that sounded better than that!

I can handle the "sounds like doing roll call" type KJ. I'd rather have a fun host v/s the "roll call" type but I'll go see either as long as I don't feel like I'm singing while wearing ear plugs.

I don't know what equipment either place used. I suppose it really is about loyalty to a bar and where your friends go but I just couldn't enjoy my own turn at karaoke OR enjoy listening to anyone else b/c it just sounded so bad.

All in all, I really thought most folks were concerned about that, but obviously not.

~Vicki


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I only asked about the kj for my own benefit. I'm more of the NICE LAID BACK KJ.
I don't think of myself as monitone but I'm not the hooting howling LOOK AT ME type kj. I was just curious ...

I don't blame any singer for not going back to a show where they felt they didn't sound good and the overall show was not good.


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Controversial opinion coming.....

I have been to many many many karaoke shows over the years and I have found that most of the people in a karaoke rotation are not very good singers. They are out to have a good time and singing well is not their main priority. Some of them know that that can't carry a tune in a bucket but they enjoy their 5 minutes of stage time just as much as the divas do. That is what makes Karaoke the great form of entertainment that it is. You don't have to be a good singer to enjoy it. That being said, if you are one of those people that doesn't sing well, a good sound system will not make you sound any better so it's not going to be important to you. All you care about is that you have a place to go and hang out with your friends and have a good time. Those types of bars may have a couple of good singers that hang out there for one reason or another but the singers don't mind the bad sound because that's where their friends hang out or it's just more convenient for them than driving 20 miles away to the show with a better sound system. If a sound system makes a difference to the better singers, they will find the place that provides them with the equipment that makes them sound the best. Some folks have just never been to more than ONE karaoke venue in their lives and they don't know what else is out there. It's like the guy who owns all of the $2 karaoke discs and a K-Mart Karaoke machine and has them plugged into his home theater system. He thinks his system is the best because it is all he knows. THAT is karaoke.


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Karen K @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:54 pm wrote:
Funny as it seems, those people who are content with marginal sound may visit a place with really great sound and they may not even KNOW why their singing experience was better because it never occurs to them that there is actually a difference!


I often think we do it for us.


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jamkaraoke @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:41 pm wrote:
Vicki

I only asked about the kj for my own benefit. I'm more of the NICE LAID BACK KJ.
I don't think of myself as monitone but I'm not the hooting howling LOOK AT ME type kj. I was just curious ...

I don't blame any singer for not going back to a show where they felt they didn't sound good and the overall show was not good.


Oops, I'm sorry. I guess I really didn't answer you. I haven't met anyone around here, YET, that uses "transition music" in between singers. Now, we are certainly there to sing and not watch a comedy show or a rock concert, but the hosts I enjoy the most don't really jump around and stuff, they are just funny. They will call up the next singer and fill that dead air time with something and the best ones can get you laughing when announcing drink specials or reminding you to tip your waitress.

You can ask 20 singers what they want and get 20 different responses. I like a good sound system and funny host. That is just me. The hubby only wants good sound and is not so concerned with whether a host is entertaining during dead air time.

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BruceFan4Life @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:55 pm wrote:
Controversial opinion coming.....

I have been to many many many karaoke shows over the years and I have found that most of the people in a karaoke rotation are not very good singers. They are out to have a good time and singing well is not their main priority. Some of them know that that can't carry a tune in a bucket but they enjoy their 5 minutes of stage time just as much as the divas do. That is what makes Karaoke the great form of entertainment that it is. You don't have to be a good singer to enjoy it. That being said, if you are one of those people that doesn't sing well, a good sound system will not make you sound any better so it's not going to be important to you. All you care about is that you have a place to go and hang out with your friends and have a good time. Those types of bars may have a couple of good singers that hang out there for one reason or another but the singers don't mind the bad sound because that's where their friends hang out or it's just more convenient for them than driving 20 miles away to the show with a better sound system. If a sound system makes a difference to the better singers, they will find the place that provides them with the equipment that makes them sound the best. Some folks have just never been to more than ONE karaoke venue in their lives and they don't know what else is out there. It's like the guy who owns all of the $2 karaoke discs and a K-Mart Karaoke machine and has them plugged into his home theater system. He thinks his system is the best because it is all he knows. THAT is karaoke.


I have to disagree with the point you said "if you are one of those people that doesn't sing well, a good sound system will not make you sound any better so it's not going to be important to you". I have a great system where i utlize a good mix and use two stage "foldback" aka monitors so the singers can hear themselves and hear the music and also add some echo to their vocals and it does help those that are vocally challanged to sound better.

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BruceFan4Life @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:55 pm wrote:
Controversial opinion coming.....

I have been to many many many karaoke shows over the years and I have found that most of the people in a karaoke rotation are not very good singers. They are out to have a good time and singing well is not their main priority. Some of them know that that can't carry a tune in a bucket but they enjoy their 5 minutes of stage time just as much as the divas do. That is what makes Karaoke the great form of entertainment that it is. You don't have to be a good singer to enjoy it. That being said, if you are one of those people that doesn't sing well, a good sound system will not make you sound any better so it's not going to be important to you. All you care about is that you have a place to go and hang out with your friends and have a good time. Those types of bars may have a couple of good singers that hang out there for one reason or another but the singers don't mind the bad sound because that's where their friends hang out or it's just more convenient for them than driving 20 miles away to the show with a better sound system. If a sound system makes a difference to the better singers, they will find the place that provides them with the equipment that makes them sound the best. Some folks have just never been to more than ONE karaoke venue in their lives and they don't know what else is out there. It's like the guy who owns all of the $2 karaoke discs and a K-Mart Karaoke machine and has them plugged into his home theater system. He thinks his system is the best because it is all he knows. THAT is karaoke.


I don't disagree except...........a good system and someone that knows how to run it CANNOT make you sing in tune.............but good sound goes a long way towards helping a weak singer like myself get through a song without blowing it.

Does that make sense? I liken it to this............put any major singer today that you think has a great voice, put them on stage and then handicap their hearing a bit. Even the most experienced would be thrown off a bit. Now I imagine that someone with a true voice may stumble a minute or two but would be able to adjust, but still they would not sing their best.

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I can agree with every statment.

As a very good KJ, i can not figure out why bad KJs have the attraction they do generate. If i could find the answer to that question, i would be rich. My shows would be constantly packed, the phone would be ringing off the hook for new jobs and all my competition would be dead.

I am suprised that you (OP) actually noticed the difference. Most KJs don't.

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The VAST majority of people at Karoake are NOT DISCERNING KARAOKE PROS like us!! At best they are "Casual" singers who get up to have a good time and cant tell the difference between one system and the next. They usually go to a particular bar because they are comfortable with it, its convienent, its what they are used to and what they like. There are a smaller number that follow a KJ around because they LIKE HIM regardless of what the sound system does.

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SwingcatKurt @ Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:12 pm wrote:
The VAST majority of people at Karoake are NOT DISCERNING KARAOKE PROS like us!! At best they are "Casual" singers who get up to have a good time and cant tell the difference between one system and the next. They usually go to a particular bar because they are comfortable with it, its convienent, its what they are used to and what they like. There are a smaller number that follow a KJ around because they LIKE HIM regardless of what the sound system does.




Very well said. Bruce's last post was one of his best as well.

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