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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:39 pm 
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tovmod @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:38 pm wrote:
According to some of us, it isn't ALWAYS and ONLY about the singer's and how GOOD they sound!

And for those who believe it isn't primarily about the sound of the singers and that other elements are just as important or even more important in putting on a good show, then the sound system is not the critical element in producing an enjoyable, satisfying and financially successful show.

And if I am correct that the sound system is not the critical element, then a KJ who can do nothing more than harp about the propriety of their rotation and the quality of their equipment has nothing to offer those attending their shows who are unconcerned about the equipment or find it to be of lesser importance.

And if a KJ attracts only those looking for a good sound system, I'll take whoever is left that doesn't concentrate on the sound because they must be more interested in having a good time. And that group, I believe, describes most of the karaoke singing public! And it is that group that I most enjoy at my shows!


I don't believe there are too many KJs here that think the sound system isn't critical to their show or karaoke business. The only reason i became a KJ is because of the systems i did see and i knew i could do better and be better and make money doing it.

Does anyone seriously believe their sound system quality doesn't matter to their business? Would you down grade any part of it? Would you replace any part of it with cheaper equipment. If you started over today would you start with a lesser quality system?

The majority of my crowds come to sound good. Sounding better at my show makes them happy. Where does it equate that if the system sounds too good nobody has any fun?

So only bad sounding systems are fun? If i go out to sing and don't want to, where is the fun? If your idea to go out was to just get drunk as fast as you can, then you aren't worried about singing or sounding good and you probably don't care for karaoke to begin with. I don't run my show to cater to drunks that don't care. My show is geared for people that want to sound good. They still have fun. Nobody would go anywhere if they weren't having fun. It's just my idea of fun would be sounding good.

Does anyone hear have that much fun if the sound system sucks? Let's see the hands. Given the choice would you have more fun sounding good or bad? Everything else being equal. Same bar, same friends etc. Only difference being a good sound system or a bad one.

Let's define or try to, how many different styles or types of shows there are.

1. Serious KJs that take pride in their show and sound system and believes their singers should sound as good as possible.

2. KJs that have decent sound and a decent show.

3. KJs that have so so systems and care about their singers and don't know their system is so so.

4. KJs that have crap systems and don't care about anyone or anything but fun.

5. KJs that use dance music for whatever reason. Their singers take a back seat for some of the show.

6. KJs that have decent systems and want to enhance the singers with musical instrument interludes.

7. KJs without any clue that are happy if anyone shows up for any reason.

8. KJs that run consistant shows.

9. KJs that have no solid format.

10. One speaker KJs.

11. KJs that want to make it a real singing experience for the singers.

12. KJs that can build solid crowds.

13. KJs that kill crowds.

14. KJs that take bribes for rotation favors.

15. KJs that run fair rotations.

16. KJs that keep their library up to date.

17. KJs that don't want to spend money.

Add to it. :angel:


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Karen K @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:03 pm wrote:
I suspect there are people on this forum who wish you would.... :roll:


That's my point. See how much happened while i was slow typing my response to another post? I got blindsided. :angel:


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angel910 @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:53 pm wrote:
I would rather be the KJ known for great sound.

So if you don't mind sharing, what does your system consist of? Makes.Models? Or is this a trade secret for you?

Yeah I thought as much! :roll:

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Lonman @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:34 am wrote:
Lonman @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:16 pm wrote:
angel910 @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:53 pm wrote:
I would rather be the KJ known for great sound.

So if you don't mind sharing, what does your system consist of? Makes.Models? Or is this a trade secret for you?

Yeah I thought as much! :roll:


Yamaha MG166CX
Lexicon 200
Alesis 31 band EQ
DBX 1046 Compressor
DBX 234XL Crossover
BBE Sonic Max 882
Crown K2 Amps
2-Peavey SP5
2-Peavey DJS 1800
4-Shure Beta 58 Cordless microphones

Anything else? :angel:


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How do you spell arrogance? A-N-G-E-L. When you said you had a great sytem, I thought you had something better than Peavey. LOL.

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angel910 @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:39 am wrote:
tovmod @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:38 pm wrote:
According to some of us, it isn't ALWAYS and ONLY about the singer's and how GOOD they sound!

And for those who believe it isn't primarily about the sound of the singers and that other elements are just as important or even more important in putting on a good show, then the sound system is not the critical element in producing an enjoyable, satisfying and financially successful show.

And if I am correct that the sound system is not the critical element, then a KJ who can do nothing more than harp about the propriety of their rotation and the quality of their equipment has nothing to offer those attending their shows who are unconcerned about the equipment or find it to be of lesser importance.

And if a KJ attracts only those looking for a good sound system, I'll take whoever is left that doesn't concentrate on the sound because they must be more interested in having a good time. And that group, I believe, describes most of the karaoke singing public! And it is that group that I most enjoy at my shows!


I don't believe there are too many KJs here that think the sound system isn't critical to their show or karaoke business. The only reason i became a KJ is because of the systems i did see and i knew i could do better and be better and make money doing it.

Does anyone seriously believe their sound system quality doesn't matter to their business? Would you down grade any part of it? Would you replace any part of it with cheaper equipment. If you started over today would you start with a lesser quality system?

The majority of my crowds come to sound good. Sounding better at my show makes them happy. Where does it equate that if the system sounds too good nobody has any fun?

So only bad sounding systems are fun? If i go out to sing and don't want to, where is the fun? If your idea to go out was to just get drunk as fast as you can, then you aren't worried about singing or sounding good and you probably don't care for karaoke to begin with. I don't run my show to cater to drunks that don't care. My show is geared for people that want to sound good. They still have fun. Nobody would go anywhere if they weren't having fun. It's just my idea of fun would be sounding good.

Does anyone hear have that much fun if the sound system sucks? Let's see the hands. Given the choice would you have more fun sounding good or bad? Everything else being equal. Same bar, same friends etc. Only difference being a good sound system or a bad one.

Let's define or try to, how many different styles or types of shows there are.

1. Serious KJs that take pride in their show and sound system and believes their singers should sound as good as possible.

2. KJs that have decent sound and a decent show.

3. KJs that have so so systems and care about their singers and don't know their system is so so.

4. KJs that have crap systems and don't care about anyone or anything but fun.

5. KJs that use dance music for whatever reason. Their singers take a back seat for some of the show.

6. KJs that have decent systems and want to enhance the singers with musical instrument interludes.

7. KJs without any clue that are happy if anyone shows up for any reason.

8. KJs that run consistant shows.

9. KJs that have no solid format.

10. One speaker KJs.

11. KJs that want to make it a real singing experience for the singers.

12. KJs that can build solid crowds.

13. KJs that kill crowds.

14. KJs that take bribes for rotation favors.

15. KJs that run fair rotations.

16. KJs that keep their library up to date.

17. KJs that don't want to spend money.

Add to it. :angel:

18. KJS who" think" their show is better than the rest and their sound equipment is superior than all others and think that their show is the BEST choice for ANY singer.

Angel - not bashing your system as you've described I'm sure it and your show sound GREAT. But realy on paper your equipment is no better than any other .
If you tone the attitude down a little and stop the "ME ME ME " "best best best" type rants you might be able to really add something. :angel: :angel: :angel:


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angel910 @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:42 am wrote:
Karen K @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:03 pm wrote:
I suspect there are people on this forum who wish you would.... :roll:


That's my point. See how much happened while i was slow typing my response to another post? I got blindsided. :angel:

You were not "blindsided". Even so, not only did you deserve it, but you should have seen it coming.
And if you think that posting more and faster would have prevented it, you're sadly mistaken.


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timberlea @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:27 am wrote:
How do you spell arrogance? A-N-G-E-L. When you said you had a great sytem, I thought you had something better than Peavey. LOL.


Well it's certainly nothing to brag about but it's better than average for a KJ system. Tops are mid level Peavey and not their best but hey - - - I had to look up the subs but for karaoke duty they should suffice. 4" VC BWs.

RX22 drivers can sound harsh but if this person knows how to run an EQ they can be smoothed out.

Again not the best but it should work.


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I would rather be the KJ known for great sound. I have a reputation that i am very proud of. It gets me steady work. Along with other things i do that most KJs can't or won't do.


My system is not the best but it is operated and run professionally. I do not run a "secret show" but promote my business constantly with anything I can afford. I will toot my horn here but I have pics and proof to show my credence. I would venture to say that the senior members here have some of the best systems world wide and know how to run them. You are not saying anything that they havnt heard before.

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Now of course if she said she used Meyer C-1 tops and 700HP subs, I would be very impressed. One of our venues have these and they let us use them. Other than that I would put up our Yorks against anything else out there in their range.

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I got Peavey speakers too. Of course I'm still a woefully inferior host to angel because I use different amps/mixer and they're probably a different model to hers anyway. I do have a lovely Marshall valve guitar amp tho, but alas playing the guitar is wrong in the first place even if someone asks for it, angel says so.
I'll have to give everyone in the pub the bad news this weekend. Dreading that, but its in their own interests and I should be thinking of the serious singers, angel says so.


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I think it is silly to argue over if sound is important.

You have all kinds of people that come to karaoke. Different people have different reasons for liking a show. We as KJs try to cover all basis. If you only catered to one type of patron you'd limit your crowd.

Some people like a KJ with a lot of personality
Some care that you have the songs they like to sing
Some are all about a system that makes them sound the best possible
Some are all about atmosphere
Some like a fair rotation
Soem like if you can play their discs

My job is to try and make all these things happen to the best of my ability, so I can make as many people happy as possible. I don't think any of us have patrons that are all the same minded. I do the best with what I am given. If your looking for a big venue with lots of people with only a few singers, I'm not the right fit for you. But those are things that are out of my control. Things that are within my control I try to provide.

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tovmod @ Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:51 am wrote:
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I could host a succesful show on a deserted island. :angel:


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Babs @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:21 am wrote:
I think it is silly to argue over if sound is important.

You have all kinds of people that come to karaoke. Different people have different reasons for liking a show. We as KJs try to cover all basis. If you only catered to one type of patron you'd limit your crowd.

Some people like a KJ with a lot of personality
Some care that you have the songs they like to sing
Some are all about a system that makes them sound the best possible
Some are all about atmosphere
Some like a fair rotation
Soem like if you can play their discs

My job is to try and make all these things happen to the best of my ability, so I can make as many people happy as possible. I don't think any of us have patrons that are all the same minded. I do the best with what I am given. If your looking for a big venue with lots of people with only a few singers, I'm not the right fit for you. But those are things that are out of my control. Things that are within my control I try to provide.



Very well put Babs. Almost political sounding. Are you running for something? :lol:


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19. KJs who tweak the singer rather than the mixer.
20. KJs who throw money at equipment and know nothing about acoustics.

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exweedfarmer @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:44 am wrote:
19. KJs who tweak the singer rather than the mixer.
20. KJs who throw money at equipment and know nothing about acoustics.


Weed, your pants are in the dryer....and i resemble your #20...dangit! :mrgreen:


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Very well put Babs. Almost political sounding. Are you running for something? :lol:


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Can we all agree that SOUND is important to any Karaoke Show ???
YES

Then can we all agree that GOOD SOUUND is just one spoke in the wheel to get any decent Karaoke Show rolling ?
YES

Finally can we all agree that we are sick of KJ's who feel it neccesary to post HOW GREAT They are ? Really you can tell someone how YOU do things without stating its the BEST and ONLY WAY to do it . I've seen it done plenty of times

YES

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jamkaraoke @ Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:06 pm wrote:
Can we all agree that SOUND is important to any Karaoke Show ???
YES

Then can we all agree that GOOD SOUUND is just one spoke in the wheel to get any decent Karaoke Show rolling ?
YES

Finally can we all agree that we are sick of KJ's who feel it neccesary to post HOW GREAT They are ? Really you can tell someone how YOU do things without stating its the BEST and ONLY WAY to do it . I've seen it done plenty of times

YES

(thank you :D :D :D )


and amen !

Jam you sound upset. It's all good !

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