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 Post subject: Re: Mackie system
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:16 pm 
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I don't understand why you are posting a picture of your(?) degree and ensuring readers that you know what you're talking about. I was picking at the Sonic Maximizer, a truly bad product for what most people try to use it for. If I was going to pick at your posts I would point out your many incorrect statements, such as:

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All frequencies produce harmonics.

Maybe you mean, natural sources of sound energy, like our voice, wind and string instruments, animal sounds, etc. are made up of a fundamental frequency, and harmonic frequencies which are integer multiples of the fundamental.

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When sound is compressed it is sliced and some harmonics are eliminated.

Perhaps you could explain what you mean by, "sliced?" If you mean, digitally dithered to 16 bit samples at 44kHz (CD quality) then you should probably read up on DVD-Audio, a format with more channels (useful) and higher sample rate and resolution (not useful.) Check Wikipedia and the references it cites on the subject and you'll notice that scientific studies have shown there is no proof that listeners can tell the difference between a given track at CD quality and anything better. Surround sound and things like that are useful, higher sampling rates in distribution media are not.

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With older recordings that had limited frequency response at the lower and higher ends it is more noticeable.

Do you have karaoke backing tracks that are so old as to have been recorded onto low-quality analog tape? Are we talking about vintage musical recordings?

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When they are eliminated they cannnot be reproduced. The BBE does a fairly good job of reintroducing some of the lower harmonics.

So the BBE magic box is being called an "aural exciter," a (sub?)-harmonic synthesizer, and a "frequency realignment processor?" Interesting. If such a tool were so useful, you'd think there would be less people trying to get rid of these pieces of junk on eBay and Craigslist.

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Unless the gain structure is out of balance the BBE will have no effect on live sound. The harmonics are there already in their true form.

I don't think you know what "gain structure" means. Maybe it's worth mentioning that if your gain structure is particularly bad, and you under-drive a Sonic Maximizer, it does not do anything. It will not manipulate the program material at all if you are sending it less than -45dBu or so.

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If you are playing oldies the BBE and the Aphex are an integral part of your system. With karaoke they can make a difference with poor audio that is compressed although at crowd volumes it is almost undetectable.

If Sound Choice thought their tracks sounded substantially better when played through a Sonic Maximizer, I suspect they would master the tracks that way.

I will grant that it likely does make some tracks sound better, but it makes some tracks sound worse.

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With our system we make them sound "live" with quality sound reproduction equiptment. It is not magic it is just experience.

Sure, the right equipment for the job, and an operator who knows how to use it, will result in a better performance. A Sonic Maximizer is far from essential though, and I doubt one will ever be an "integral part" of my system. Which includes, by the way, good quality speakers and microphones, a Lexicon processor, and plenty of dynamics processing channels. Those are the most important tools in my sound system when it comes to karaoke.

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 Post subject: Re: Mackie system
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:51 pm 
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Lonman @ Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:59 pm wrote:
letitrip @ Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:45 am wrote:
My suggestion would be skip the BBE all together, run the main outs from your CFX-12 to the L and R inputs on the Sub, then run the L and R high pass outputs from the sub to the inputs on your SRM-450s. I don't recommend using the Sub out on the CFX-12, it is crossed over at 75Hz which is lower than I'd recommend for this setup. Let the SRS do a little more work, it's internal crossover is at 120Hz and with the 450's that a better point IMHO.
I was just simplifying the connection, but yes going through the sub would be better off altogether. However, I have used the Sub out on mine & it actually works very well in some situations so he should try both ways.


Just to be clear, I have used the sub out on my CFX-12 as well and with the right equipment it does work out well. My point was that with the SRM-450's, which have a horn and 12", you're better off letting the SRS sub do the work all the way up to 120Hz as they'll do a better job than those 12's.

In most larger PA settings I usually keep my crossover points around 80 Hz (Pretty close to what the CFX-12's Sub-out crosses at), my comment here was meant only specifically for the rig the OP is using.

Karyoker, I'm not sure why you felt the need to post your degree, I don't think anyone questioned your background and I don't think it really impressed anyone either. I know what knowledge you have and you shouldn't feel you have to flash a piece of paper to get respect around here. That said, I'd have been more interested in a MP&E degree from Berklee personally :lol: .

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