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mckyj57
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 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:41 pm |
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I find it interesting that the defender of the Nady mic would take anyone to task for talking up Kustom. 
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letitrip
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stogie @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:26 pm wrote: I didn't even read your first post.
I hope you don't think you're the only one who knows what a an AB amp is and the only one who ever mentioned one. You're totally and completely off base and deranged to assert that I was commenting on what you said. It makes no sense at all.
Most of the amps being used today are AB amps with big, heavy copper wound torroidial transformers. It's only in the last 10 years or so that class H amps have been used and I doubt they're in the majority even today. Some class D amps are used in active speakers.
Given the choice of carrying a light weight amp that does just fine for nearly all situations or dragging around heavy gear that does a very good job too, I'll take the light weight gear.
Most people here don't provide concert sound, they are single operators loading into bars, restaurants, weddings etc. almost always for 200 people or less, more often for less than 100 and frequently for maybe 40-50 or even less than that. That's the majority of people here.
What I recommended will take you up to around 300. That covers all but the biggest venues that most people will ever play at. If you're providing sound for a lot more than 300 people you need to come with more than a pair of speakers on sticks and a JRX sub. That's a fact Jack.
So aside from all your insults I think I see where the issue is here. When you're talking about AB amplifiers, you're talking about Class AB amplifiers, yes? I'm talking about the brand AB, maker of the AB1100 Precedent series, one that I'm willing to bet most here have never heard of and even fewer actually have ever owned.
So as far as Kustom speakers, while I don't like them and would never use or recommend them, I have seen them in pro-installs for venues of 100-300 people. So I'm still struggling with your assertion. It would take a deranged person to suggest that such a situation is not pro-audio. So again, how is it you justify telling people it's not ok to skimp on speakers (i.e. they have to own top of the line EV equipment) but it's ok to skimp on an amp to save cost and weight?
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mckyj57 @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:41 pm wrote: I find it interesting that the defender of the Nady mic would take anyone to task for talking up Kustom. Are you serious? Stogie is one of the Nady proponents. God I wish I had realized that sooner. There's no point in continuing this discussion. So the argument here is basically only the speaker quality matters. Buy an amp that isn't fit for the task, buy garbage microphones but as long as you have EV stamped on your grilles all is OK?!?!??! My god, my wife upstairs wants to know what I'm laughing so hard at.
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You can laugh all you want about Nady mics. I've used Nady mics many times with ZERO problems and I get paid to sing every week, do you?
I also own wired Sennheiser e835s, and a now a pair of Shure SM58s that I love to use because they make me sound great. I also have a Samson Q7 that sounds very good and some Behringer 1800 mics that sound good. If this means I don't know what I'm talking about then that's ok, it doesn't hurt my feelings because I use the gear I'm talking about often and I can hear the results very well.
I talk about gear that I actually use or own. It's not theoretical or supposition. You're welcome to come to one of my shows to see and hear if what I say is crap or if it actually sounds good like I say it does.
I do wish I had gotten an SM58 a long time ago, they're really good mics. I borrowed one and after that I bought a couple. Would I still use one of my Nady mics? Sure, why not? They work just fine.
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LondonLive
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Wow, you can just smell the testosterone in here these days, must be why I don't come around much anymore, that and maybe I'm to busy out doing sound for a living to be on here posting 15 times a day. Perhaps a little less trying to impress each other with this spec and that spec and just answer the OP's question in a way they might understand. Without knowing what the OP is trying to accomplish or how large an area he or she is trying to cover, I know those EV's are pretty nice for their size so I would guess this is more of a lack of power issue than a speaker issue.
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The original issue I brought up, LondonLive, is that the OP wants to solve his bass problem by getting rid of an under-powered, entry-level subwoofer by moving up to better full-range 15s (or 2x15s?)
That won't help him because he will lose low-frequency extension that the JRX118SP does have, it just doesn't have enough of it at power to keep up with his tops. And it is a powered sub so adding a bigger amp is not really a possibility. Adding another one would make sense if the JRX sub wasn't so over-priced and bulky for the puny output you get from it, and of course we don't know if he has room in his vehicle for another big subwoofer.
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mckyj57 @ Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:41 pm wrote: I find it interesting that the defender of the Nady mic would take anyone to task for talking up Kustom. And what is wrong with a Nady mic? [Grunt] [Grunt] [ooo] [ooo] - Tim Allen style
I really don't want an answer to that. I love my Nady's.
(Don't tell anyone but I have a Kustom monitor too)
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wow
Thanks Londonlive for putting things into perspective. I am no expert with technical terms, as basic as they might seem to you guys 
My SX 300's with the EMX512SC are usually fine for indoor functions however seem to lack grunt when I take them outdoors, which is why I add my JBL JRX118SP powered sub.
I drive a Honda CRV, so I do not have anough room to throw in another sub at this stage.
From all of the threads it appears what I do need is a better amp to power my EVs, to allow them to reach their full potential. Is this correct?
Would adding a crossover and an amp to my setup help much?
And please, no more peeing on anyones cheeseballs.
P.S. I would never buy Behringer for my show, I have seen behringer stuff fry at a show more than once.
Thanks all!
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vtrod @ Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:22 am wrote: wow Thanks Londonlive for putting things into perspective. I am no expert with technical terms, as basic as they might seem to you guys My SX 300's with the EMX512SC are usually fine for indoor functions however seem to lack grunt when I take them outdoors, which is why I add my JBL JRX118SP powered sub. I drive a Honda CRV, so I do not have anough room to throw in another sub at this stage. From all of the threads it appears what I do need is a better amp to power my EVs, to allow them to reach their full potential. Is this correct? Yes, there's a lot of untapped potential in your current cabs. vtrod @ Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:22 am wrote: Would adding a crossover and an amp to my setup help much?
Well there's two ways you could do it. The JRX118SP Sub actually has a built in cross-over, so what you could do is run the signal from the mixer to the Left and Right inputs on the Sub, then run the outputs from the sub to the amp for the full range cabs. This would ensure that you've got the same Low Pass frequency on the sub as you do high pass on the top cabs. You could use a separate cross-over, instead of running the signal through the sub. The key then is to make sure that your cross-over point is the same frequency as that of the sub. vtrod @ Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:22 am wrote: And please, no more peeing on anyones cheeseballs. P.S. I would never buy Behringer for my show, I have seen behringer stuff fry at a show more than once. Thanks all! Vic in Sydney The one thing I think you'll find is that JBL sub is not going to do to well by iteself outdoors. A 300W sub, even with an 18" driver, just doesn't move a whole lot of air once you're out in the open. If you're looking to really improve the bass response outdoors, you really need to address those capabilities (i.e. think about adding at least a second JBL sub)
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OK this topic is way off track.
The problem like someone metioned as you are underpowering your speakers by about 250 watts.
It doesn't matter what knind you buy but it should produce 600watts into 8 ohms stereo.
When you buy an amp you should buy a crossove so you are not sending too much bass to your tops.
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LondonLive
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Quote: My SX 300's with the EMX512SC are usually fine for indoor functions however seem to lack grunt when I take them outdoors, which is why I add my JBL JRX118SP powered sub.
I drive a Honda CRV, so I do not have anough room to throw in another sub at this stage.
From all of the threads it appears what I do need is a better amp to power my EVs, to allow them to reach their full potential. Is this correct? This is getting a little bit more complicated. Although you SX300's are very nice speakers for their size and will handle most small to medium sized venue's indoors if powered properly, however they would be a little hard pressed to handle larger outdoor venues with adequate headroom. As you have noticed without the added benefit of the reflective surfaces indoors your system struggles when it has to deal with the open spaces of the outdoors. Yes powering them properly will help improve your over all sound but they are still going to have limits governed by their size and design, indoors great, outdoors, not so great. As mentioned, sound is all about moving air. Quote: Would adding a crossover and an amp to my setup help much?
To me a crossover is an important component to a system, it can make the difference in a system that sounds well defined and punchy and a system that sounds like mush.
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All I have to add is that the original poster needs to reverse the phase on his JBL subwoofer if he is not using JBL mid/hi cabinets. The JBL will be "pushing" when the others are "pulling" if he doesn't.
External crosover with a phase switch will do it, or a "made to order cable".
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Chris G @ Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:49 am wrote: All I have to add is that the original poster needs to reverse the phase on his JBL subwoofer if he is not using JBL mid/hi cabinets. The JBL will be "pushing" when the others are "pulling" if he doesn't.
External crosover with a phase switch will do it, or a "made to order cable".
It appears that we have a little confusion here. Yes originally JBL did not conform to what became the industry standard, industry standard being "Red Positive". In the early days JBL was "Black Positive". So yes, once upon a time if a person wasn't aware of this and wired a JBL transducer thinking the "Red Terminal" was positive he would find himself in an "Out of Phase" or "Reversed Polarity" situation if the JBL was wired with pretty much any other manufactures transducer. Beginning in the early 90's as JBL released new models of transducers JBL began conforming to the standard to save confusion.
The JRX series does conform to today's standards and besides that it also has a polarity switch on it to insure you stay "In Phase" with your upper cabinet. Simply induce sound and make note that the cone should be traveling inward (compressing) on your EV's and JBL's at the same time.
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vtrod @ Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:22 am wrote: From all of the threads it appears what I do need is a better amp to power my EVs, to allow them to reach their full potential. Is this correct? Yes. If you get an amp that pushes 600 Watts / 8 Ohm per channel you should definitely notice a difference in power and sound.
A friend of mine is using the EV SX300's with a QSC PLX2-1804 and it sounds rich, loud and clear. And there's not much difference to my SX500+'s driven with 775 Watts / 8 Ohm each.
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Thanks LondonLive! I never knew that they finally conformed to the rest of the world !
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