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mckyj57
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:22 am |
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Dr Fred @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:14 am wrote: Bruce the singer can select which shows they go to. They can walk out the door in a second with no loss.
Find a KJ that matches your personality.
A KJ on the other hand takes who comes in the door, and some of them may not be the kind of people that the show is attempting to target.
Oh, I don't know about that. When you don't have all that much choice in your area, you have to put up with whatever KJ walks through the door too. As for the no loss, it isn't that easy to dismiss what people put in to going to karaoke. I have to drive quite a ways to get to some gigs, so there is a loss if I wasted the trip.
I am no longer a "serious singer" other than wanting to do well. I sing well enough so that I get recognized as one of the better ones in my little universe, and that is good enough for me. Now my goal is to incrementally improve and surprise people from time to time. Even though most people are used to me and don't pay much attention when I competently sing most of the songs I sing, I have a few songs that make them turn their heads and pay attention. But it's difficult to do that when the equipment or mix sucks and you can't hear yourself.
But as a karaoke host, I like the people who desperately want to do well too. They are the core of my constituency. They are the ones who show up night in, night out and provide the base for the gig.
Karaoke works because of the seed principle -- people stay and drink at places that aren't dead. There is a small town a ways away from my home that has two bars. They each have a karaoke night -- one Wednesday, one Thursday. The bar that has karaoke is crowded, the one that doesn't isn't. Yet there are only 10 or so singers. What happens is that the karaoke provides the guaranteed customer base such that when someone walks in, they either see something happening or they see nothing happening. If it is dead, they try the next place.
The serious singers can often be part of your seed. You need them, even though it may not be obvious why. If I think someone is getting a bit too demanding, I tell them to write down exactly what they want. That stops 95% of it right there. Not that I have much problem.
_________________ [color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color] Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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mckyj57
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:33 am |
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BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:24 pm wrote: "BFFL --you seem to have serious issues with most KJ's Calling them all types of names . I don't know if I should dislike you or feel sorry for you. Now you want to call me a DIVA KJ ..... I'm not the one sitting home creating my own songs so I can take them to every karaoke show and say " PLEASE PLAY MY HOME MADE DISC --- YES I MADE IT MYSELF -- I'M SO TALENTED"
There are plenty of people who look through a karaoke song book and wish that there was a song in there that isn't. I've done it many times. For years I wanted to sing "JERSEY GIRL" by Bruce Springsteen and it just wasn't available. I believe it first came out on a Legends disc and I bought it as soon as I could. Now there are web sites that sell backing tracks of songs that aren't available on a traditional karaoke disc and I have purchased some of these backing tracks and learned how to make my own cdg files so I could sing them at karaoke. There is also some software out there that removes quite a bit of the vocals from a track so a karaoke singer can sing one of his/her favorite songs. It has more to do with patience than talent as far as creating the discs is concerned. I would like to be able to sing EVERY song that I happen to like and I'm willing to spend some time while sitting at home to make that as possible as I can. I may have a knack for creating good home made karaoke tracks but I also have a little bit of singing talent. That singing talent is evident whether I'm singing to a professionally made karaoke track or one that I made myself. I believe that variety is the spice of life. I don't want to be limited by what Sound Choice or Chartbuster wants to produce. I take advantage of the fact that some other people create software for people like me to create our own karaoke tracks. Once again, you come across as being very jealous. Why should it matter to any KJ where my tracks were made. Would it make you feel so much better if a friend of mine made then for me??? Should I have to wait for Sound Choice to make a song forom their request line?? I get the feeling that they don't do much of that anymore, if they ever did. JUST PLAY THE SONG so I can have some fun singing it. I've had people notice that I've made some tracks for myself and they've asked me if I coudl make a song for them or someone they know and I have been happy to do so. I do this for free for people that I know. All I ask is that they pay for the backing track if I can find it online and I do the rest. If the best I can find is the original track for the song they want; I do my best to remove the original vocal and make the karaoke track from that converted track. You seem to want to paint me as this EVIL karaoke SHOW OFF and I guess that is your opinion of me but you couldn't be further from the truth. I'm just a guy who enjoys karaoke and every thing about it, including making friends with a common interest in having FUN while singing songs that we like to sing and share with others. I guess if you're someone that I get along with, I'm considered a good friend. If you're someone who happens to run an unfair rotation and that causes me to say NO! when you ask me to make a song for you, or give you a copy of a song that I've already made.....they you would probably not have such a good opinion of me. I can live with that. I'm not out to make EVERYONE love me. There are people that I don't like and I don't want them to like me either. I pick and choose my friends wisely. I don't need a bunch of fair weather friends. I like true friends. I'll just cut to the punch line......A true friend will help you get rid of the body.
Hey BFFL -- there is a little invention called the paragraph. Could you use some whitespace from time to time?
_________________ [color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color] Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:54 am |
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ok. I'll try to remember that.
Now that is called constructive criticism.
I do not feel insulted by someone making a suggestion as to how my posts can be better understood.
Notice how I did not insult the person pointing out how I could improve my posts?
It's much easier to acknowledge a short coming and try to improve on it than to put my back up against the wall and say something like....
....IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I TYPE, DON'T READ MY POSTS, IDIOT!!!!
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Dr Fred
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:59 am |
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mckyj57 @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:22 pm wrote:
Oh, I don't know about that. When you don't have all that much choice in your area, you have to put up with whatever KJ walks through the door too. As for the no loss, it isn't that easy to dismiss what people put in to going to karaoke. I have to drive quite a ways to get to some gigs, so there is a loss if I wasted the trip. [/quote]
I guess I was thinking too much of my local area where there are 3-4 other karaoke nights within an easy walk from my gig. Of course that is not going to apply everywhere.
If you are the only Karaoke in the area, and there are 10-15 karaoke regulars you should plan on keeping them all happy as much as possible. If there are many local karaoke options you might plan on making your show different and special (and maybe less universal in its appeal so long as the bar is full).
Bars are a strange thing, and there are several bars (with nearly identical drinks and prices) that I would not THINK of visiting in my area because they just don't seem to be my type of place. I also know that many of the regulars in those bars do not prefer the bars where I frequent.
Drinks are similar, many of the attractions (pool, darts etc) are similar. Music may be similar. But the crowd is different enough that we choose to segregate. (and no it does not have to be by age, race or orientation but sometimes it is). Given enough local bars the hippies, hipsters, and bikers (to name a few stereotypes) will each find a few bars that cater to them. Some of each of those groups might also like karaoke, and if there are enough of each class they will eventually have their own karaoke nights.
In an area where the options are thinner, then people are forced to mix more and the factors on how a KJ acts are different.
I imagine that a KJ who caters largely to a transient audience might have a similar situation where they are obliged to have a more "generalized" and less targeted show.
I think that this difference has a lot to do with the two conflicting KJ mindsets that have been engaged in recent arguements.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:00 pm |
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tovmod @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:11 am wrote: S0.... I ask again.....
KJ's: Do you view your show as part of an art form or is it a vehicle for people to have fun with? And i'll answer again, BOTH!
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:20 pm |
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BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:54 pm wrote: ok. I'll try to remember that.
Now that is called constructive criticism.
I do not feel insulted by someone making a suggestion as to how my posts can be better understood.
Notice how I did not insult the person pointing out how I could improve my posts?
It's much easier to acknowledge a short coming and try to improve on it than to put my back up against the wall and say something like....
....IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I TYPE, DON'T READ MY POSTS, IDIOT!!!!
Sometimes you just have to call it like it is !!! OH AND (Psst..You have quite a few miss spelled words and grammatical errors in your post above you may want to edit it and correct it) Hows that for "constructive criticism" ?
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:51 pm |
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jamkaraoke @ November 17th 2009, 4:20 pm wrote: BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:54 pm wrote: ok. I'll try to remember that.
Now that is called constructive criticism.
I do not feel insulted by someone making a suggestion as to how my posts can be better understood.
Notice how I did not insult the person pointing out how I could improve my posts?
It's much easier to acknowledge a short coming and try to improve on it than to put my back up against the wall and say something like....
....IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I TYPE, DON'T READ MY POSTS, IDIOT!!!! Sometimes you just have to call it like it is !!! OH AND (Psst..You have quite a few miss spelled words and grammatical errors in your post above you may want to edit it and correct it) Hows that for "constructive criticism" ?
QUITE A FEW ??? Please point all of them out me, Jam. I'll correct them all if you could just help me out....It's misspelled; one word, not two.
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:10 pm |
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I think if someone wants to practice their ART FORM it should cost them money.
If you feel as singer you are an "artist" of some sort you should have to pay.
Now for that "pay" you should have an artist type of experience, like concert quality audio on a stage with lighting. Imagine singing at Carnegie Hall or the Grand Ole Opry, How many singers wouldn’t “pay” for that type of experience?
In my humble opinion karaoke is about having fun and you can be “serious”, passionate” or any other descriptive word and still have fun. Over the years I witnessed many serious and passionate singers who would practice new songs all week long so they sounded their best on karaoke night. (They even brought in their own discs)
But they always kept the fun in karaoke and that fun becomes contagious with the not so serious singers. The next thing you know is you have a great fun show.
Karaoke to ME is and always will be about having fun. Fun for the KJ, fun for the Singer and FUN for the listener.
Now hopefully I did not say something that offended someone as this was not my intention.
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:19 pm |
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BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:51 pm wrote: jamkaraoke @ November 17th 2009, 4:20 pm wrote: BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:54 pm wrote: ok. I'll try to remember that.
Now that is called constructive criticism.
I do not feel insulted by someone making a suggestion as to how my posts can be better understood.
Notice how I did not insult the person pointing out how I could improve my posts?
It's much easier to acknowledge a short coming and try to improve on it than to put my back up against the wall and say something like....
....IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY I TYPE, DON'T READ MY POSTS, IDIOT!!!! Sometimes you just have to call it like it is !!! OH AND (Psst..You have quite a few miss spelled words and grammatical errors in your post above you may want to edit it and correct it) Hows that for "constructive criticism" ? QUITE A FEW ??? Please point all of them out me, Jam. I'll correct them all if you could just help me out....It's misspelled; one word, not two.
Oops you got me on that one !!
1) You used a period when you should have used a question mark on the end of a question.
2) You spelled from as forom
3) You misspelled could
4) You used the word "THEY" when you should have used "Then"
other than that ..not to shabby for someone like you.
Bruce -- As always I will let you get the last word in. I realized along time ago that trying to deal with people like you is a losing proposition. And if I misspelled something wrong I really don't care .. I'll never misspell two letters ( you can guess which two )
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:09 pm |
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"Someone like me" ......You can't make a post without trying to throw in a dig, huh? :D Not a problem. I'll get right on those corrections, Jam. Thanks for pointing them out. It was quite a long post and I try to type as quickly as I can using the two finger method. I will try to do better in the future.
I fixed my typo's but put them in (___) so you would know that I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I'm not a perfect typist by any stretch of the imagination.
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:03 pm |
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This thread makes me think a bit about the concept of practice. I think the songs I enjoy karaoke-ing the most are the ones I have watched least on the internet. There is always the sense of adventure when you take a song that you think you know from hearing it on the radio and try it out in karaoke--of course this means there is the chance of disaster as well. It may take you several tries to really learn it. On the other hand, there are songs that I kind of knew but then watched several times on youtube to really learn them well (for example Something About You by Level 42). Karaoke-ing these was still fun, but not quite as much fun. It's almost like I knew the song to well before I got up there and sang it. There is something about the element of adventure...
I think ideally in karaoke, one should hear a complete train wreck fairly often. One has to scribble first before they become an artist, no?
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tovmod
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:27 am |
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seattledrizzle @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:03 pm wrote: This thread makes me think a bit about the concept of practice. I think the songs I enjoy karaoke-ing the most are the ones I have watched least on the internet. There is always the sense of adventure when you take a song that you think you know from hearing it on the radio and try it out in karaoke--of course this means there is the chance of disaster as well. It may take you several tries to really learn it. On the other hand, there are songs that I kind of knew but then watched several times on youtube to really learn them well (for example Something About You by Level 42). Karaoke-ing these was still fun, but not quite as much fun. It's almost like I knew the song to well before I got up there and sang it. There is something about the element of adventure...
I think ideally in karaoke, one should hear a complete train wreck fairly often. One has to scribble first before they become an artist, no?
You may have hit upon part of the "equation". I know since I began singing at karaoke shows I have experienced all of what you mentioned.
And when I first began singing at karaoke, it was by "accident". I was at a venue for the sole purposes of having a good time unaware that karaoke was going on that night. I got "dragged" into the karaoke by a gal who wanted me to sing Paradise By The Dashboard Light. with her. I really didn't know the song, but the KJ helped to get me through it. While my effort was a train wreck, I had a great time. And I actually purchased a meatloaf cassette, and looked forward to learning the song and trying it again! PBTDL became one of my favorite karaoke songs after that, whether I got to sing it or listen to someone else's performance!
I would say that at the karaoke shows I enjoy attending, there is at least one train wreck during every show. And most often when a train wreck occurs, it seems like the audience is right there behind the singer pushing 'em along and "whispering you can do it"!
And if there are karaoke shows where karaoke is an "art form", it can be found at the "sterile" shows I've attended where everyone has their own discs and sing the same old stuff, week in and week out. And the efforts are flawless and, IMHO, boring! And while I try to be polite at karaoke, I most likely don't even pay much attention to such performances -- I'm somewhere else!
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BruceFan4Life
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:24 am |
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I, for one, am one of those people that go to karaoke hoping to avoid the train wreck performances. I find nothing wrong with 4 or 5 hours of good performance after good performance. I think the people that practice their songs at home so they can put on a good "show", deserve credit for putting in the time to entertain their friends to the best of their ability. Karaoke is rarely available at a comedy club so I don't think the point is to be funny but to have fun. The train wreck may be fun for some people; even the people performing it, but not for me......and it's even worse when the train wreck is NINE MINUTES LONG like Paradise By The Dashboard Light.
One of the most memorable performances that I have ever seen at karaoke was two guys singing LIKE A VIRGIN by MADONNA. The guys couldn't carry a tune in a bucket but their stage act was hysterical. I'm not against people goofing off on karaoke night. It's just not what I prefer but it is a nice change of pace every now and again.
It seems like the people who can't sing a lick and just want to goof around on stage are the ones who choose the LOOOOOONGEST songs to sing when their turn comes up. Quantity over Quality seems to be their philosophy.
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BruceFan4Life @ Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:24 am wrote: I, for one, am one of those people that go to karaoke hoping to avoid the train wreck performances. I find nothing wrong with 4 or 5 hours of good performance after good performance. I think the people that practice their songs at home so they can put on a good "show", deserve credit for putting in the time to entertain their friends to the best of their ability. Karaoke is rarely available at a comedy club so I don't think the point is to be funny but to have fun. The train wreck may be fun for some people; even the people performing it, but not for me......and it's even worse when the train wreck is NINE MINUTES LONG like Paradise By The Dashboard Light.
One of the most memorable performances that I have ever seen at karaoke was two guys singing LIKE A VIRGIN by MADONNA. The guys couldn't carry a tune in a bucket but their stage act was hysterical. I'm not against people goofing off on karaoke night. It's just not what I prefer but it is a nice change of pace every now and again.
It seems like the people who can't sing a lick and just want to goof around on stage are the ones who choose the LOOOOOONGEST songs to sing when their turn comes up. Quantity over Quality seems to be their philosophy.
Well, definitely a point of view shared by many. Though I am not sure what to make of the reference to the comedy club.
But let me put my thinking forward in a fashion that you, Bruce, might relate to. You probably are not far from venues where there is professional entertainment living in a big metropolitan area as you do.
I grew up in and have lived in metropolitan areas. I can go out, and for usually no more than a two-drink minimum see professional entertainment of MY choosing. I can see blues singers, jazz pianists, reggae bands, rock bands, folk singers, acoustic musicians, dixieland jazz, Broadway Shows
Folks who live in less urban areas don't have the choices that I do about seeing professional entertainment on a regular basis, inexpensively. Many have little to choose from and karaoke may be one of just a few options.
I don't go to karaoke to be entertained. I recognize that you and other karaoke singers devote hours practicing to entertain me, but I DON'T appreciate it and such performances USUALLY bore me. Sometimes, however, your run into a diamond in rough -- someone who could be a professional who just "knocks your socks off". They get your attention and hold you throughout their performance. That is truly a very rare occurrence! And it's not one that is worth going to karaoke for in anticipation that it might happen.
I am aware that some people have participated in theater in High School and/or in college and gained the opportunity to experience "show biz", along with the associated applause. Others missed that opportunity and use karaoke as their platform for becoming an entertainer.
IMHO, it's "karaoke"! Have fun and don't be so serious. Sing a song you never sang before. Spend minutes, not hours practicing if you must practice. And just remember that however you sing is good enough for karaoke. (Sorry BigDog!)
I never tell people that I have never sung a particular song before I sing it. And if I have a train wreck... so be it! No one is going to boo me. No one is going to stop paying to see me. No one is going to laugh at me. And I wouldn't care if they did!
I just keep having FUN, FUN, FUN til the KJ takes my mic away-hey-hey-hey
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BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:09 pm wrote: "Someone like me" ......You can't make a post without trying to throw in a dig, huh? Not a problem. I'll get right on those corrections, Jam. Thanks for pointing them out. It was quite a long post and I try to type as quickly as I can using the two finger method. I will try to do better in the future. I fixed my typo's but put them in (___) so you would know that I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I'm not a perfect typist by any stretch of the imagination.
BRUCE- I'm was trying to point out how childish you were point out my spelling mistakes and calling me a 3rd grader.. Comes around goes around
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Getting back to the original OP, Art form, or Fun. First, I might ad, that I am an artist, but on paper, not music. MOSTLY portraits. I would say that karaoke is as much of an art form as a person handing a MONKEY, or ELEPHANT a paint brush, and throwing some paint on a canvas and letting the animal SMEAR it around. Otherwise, EVERYBODY is an ARTIST. ANYBODY, has the opportunity to sing karaoke, but NOT everybody is an ARTIST. So where the idea of karaoke even being considered an ART FORM is beyond me. It could be considered ENTERTAINMENT, FUN, even A TRADE, but an ART FORM, I think is a LITTLE bit of a stretch of the imagination. But then again, I've seen what SOME people call ART.
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Every question on this forum usually can be answered the same way.....
There are many variations of Karaoke shows each which take on an identity of their HOST, VENUE, and "regular singers". Whether the HOST determines the type of show and type of singer it attracts or vice versa the important fact is each show and venue are DIFFERENT. There are a minimum set of expectations that each show should promise but after that... It's a different show.
Karaoke Hosts need to run their show the way they feel works best. It's their business and right or wrong they live with the end results.
Singers need to visit and frequent shows that they LIKE and fit their own ideals of what perfect karaoke is about. Not to say that any singer shouldn't visit any show.
Singers won't change KJ's and KJ's won't change Singers.
Hopefully through sites like this we LEARN and grow from each others point of views.
A DIVA singer is just someone who expects something different.
An ego maniac KJ ruling with an iron fist ....just wants something different
Art Form or Fun? ----if you don't have fun doing your art why do it ?
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BruceFan4Life
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jamkaraoke @ November 18th 2009, 9:07 am wrote: BruceFan4Life @ Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:09 pm wrote: "Someone like me" ......You can't make a post without trying to throw in a dig, huh? :D Not a problem. I'll get right on those corrections, Jam. Thanks for pointing them out. It was quite a long post and I try to type as quickly as I can using the two finger method. I will try to do better in the future.
I fixed my typo's but put them in (___) so you would know that I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I'm not a perfect typist by any stretch of the imagination. BRUCE- I'm was trying to point out how childish you were point out my spelling mistakes and calling me a 3rd grader.. Comes around goes around LOL
I only point out other people's spellling mistakes when those people choose to call me names like "idiot". If you're going to call someone an idiot, you should be able to spell words that are used every day in normal conversations. Most if not all of my spelling errors are actually typing errors but I'll accept them as errors. I'm happy with my ratio of correct spelling versus my misspellings. I can usually tell by looking at the word being misspelled if it has been a typo or the person just doesn't know how to spell the word. When I type "teh" instead of the or when I type "coudl" instead of could; I think a smart person can tell that I've mis-typed rather than misspelled. It's not like I sit here correcting the dozens of people that misspell ridiculous as REDICULOUS. I only point out the spelling errors of people like you and Gemini with your control freak attitudes who think that you do EVERYTHING the right way and there is no room for improvement on the way you do things. First thing you guys might want to figure out are the differences between (to, too, and two) & (there, their and they're). They are misused all of the time but I only point them put when people like you and Gem....Hmmmmm Gem and Jam.....what a coincidence.....anyway I only point them out when people act as if they are perfect and when they disrespect others with their silly rules.
And by the way Jam....It's points of view, not point of views...obviously not a typo.
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srnitynow @ Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:14 am wrote: Getting back to the original OP, Art form, or Fun. First, I might ad, that I am an artist, but on paper, not music. MOSTLY portraits. I would say that karaoke is as much of an art form as a person handing a MONKEY, or ELEPHANT a paint brush, and throwing some paint on a canvas and letting the animal SMEAR it around. Otherwise, EVERYBODY is an ARTIST. ANYBODY, has the opportunity to sing karaoke, but NOT everybody is an ARTIST. So where the idea of karaoke even being considered an ART FORM is beyond me. It could be considered ENTERTAINMENT, FUN, even A TRADE, but an ART FORM, I think is a LITTLE bit of a stretch of the imagination. But then again, I've seen what SOME people call ART. Srnitynow
Rosario,
Music IS a form of Arttistry.
So karaoke would be imitating a musical artist, no?
Everybody has the opportunity to draw or paint or sing, although not well, it is their interpretation if they believe that they are artists working on an art form, which most people do.
I can say I am a singer, although i may not be any good.
I can draw stick figures, enjoy it, and call myself an artist.
Tonight i had several impersonators of artist such as michael jackson and prince singers. Believe me, it WAS an art form, as they danced, sang, and even dressed like them. And they weren't professionals.
I'm NOT disagreeing with you, just looking at it from a different view.
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Karaoke can be imitation but then it can also be interpretation.
When someone intentionally changes a song by the way that they perform it it is definitely art. The words, and even the tempo can remain the same but the feel can be changed.
No I don't just mean doing a "bad" job on a song but really changing the feel or energy of a song (in a good way).
Sometimes a singer gets up and does a great job and sounds just like the origional artist (or very close). Other times a singer can do a great job and really make the song their own and could never be mistaken for the origional artist. That is art.
Sure it does not happen too often at karaoke but it can.
This does not mean it cant be fun at the same time.
Art is very subjective, and a lot of it is bad not just in the eyes of some but in honest opinion of nearly all that see/hear it.
Depending on the crowd and show, and the listener, karaoke can be good or bad art, but it is still art.
The biggest complement I ever recieved singing (before I became a KJ), was by a local musician who said the brief comment "that was unprecidented" after my song. I took that to mean that it was not necessaraly good or bad (although he seemed to like it), but that I made the song my own in some way. I take that to be the meaning of "art". The person who made the comment was the lead singer for REM, Michael Stipe.
Most of us lack the time, money or energy to join a band (and find compatable people to perform with). Karaoke may be the closest chance they get to perform the ART of music. Most artists of whatever genre do not get rich doing it, or even pay for costs. They do it for fun. I am sure that more than a few singers who first performed in public doing karaoke have gone on to become professional well acclaimed singers. No artists starts out in the Louvre other top venues, or even begins with that hope. Most start because it is fun.
Few painters are going to begin with oil and canvas, and few sculptors begin in bronze. Singers rarely start out with a full band. Most begin with more simple tools, and also by imitating other art they already know.
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