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Let's say you have the ability-your system is computerized and it contains a decent burner....And let's forget legalities for a moment.

Let's say you can record a whole show to your hard drive....and recall it all by individual singer......and then burn all that singer's tracks to CD in just a minute or two....even while the show is going on.

Then the singer could purchase that CD from you at the end of the show.

Have you done it?

Would you do it?

Now that you have the idea, would you consider doing it?

What should a KJ charge for such a CD?

Now the legal part.....Who here knows if doing so is legal, and how could a KJ do it so it was legal?

The only way it "could " be legal. Would be If you gave them the original cdg, that you bought the karaoke track on. That way you are not copying a karaoke track and Pirateing it. You would simply be selling them the original, and a bodified backup copy of it. "fair use" would be in effect.

This would be expensive, but so would buying the license to do what you propose to do legally. I figure it would probably worth $30 a track this way.

a boss br532 does a great job doing this. Absolutely no background bar noise.

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I've contimplated trying something like this however I wasn't planning on charging anything for it. Buying disks in bulk they're about $0.25 each or less. I was just going to give them away as advertising. By not selling them I'm not sure about the legalities.

If you are GIVING them away, I can't see why it would be illegal. You are giving it to them for their own personal use and not profiting off of it. It would be like your friend asking you to, tape a TV shows to a videocasette because they are not home.

Now, if you are selling them, then I can see that being illegal as you are making money off of other's work. (But that is just my opinion. Don't know the laws for sure).

Also, If it was legal to do, I don't think I would give every singer a copy (as can you imagine how many CD's you would go through if you had 20 to 30 singers??) I would give it out as a free raffle prize. That way, you don't have so many CD's to have to give out.

If it was legal, I think it would be cool. I know I would love a copy!

You should be able to do it if the customer doesn't plan on selling that CD to people. Charging them for "materials" doesn't mean you are selling the song. Since it's an added bonus for people to show up then you might reflect it in your prices to the venue.

A couple years back I went to a show where Parrot Bay Rum brought in a sound booth, and the Karaoke singers got a CD made if they wanted. Of course the CD's were handed out for free.

I personally wouldn't want to do it unless there was a real easy way to run something like that. Otherwise you have to spend time sorting the singers burning the discs and then trying to get those discs to the singers. I could see that become a pain more than a feature.

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when I was doing it, I didn't charge them, and I told them it was for "entertainment purposes only"... this is NOT a demo track!

But the company doing the recording IS making money (either for themselves or for the club they are in) because they are offering a service that people may want to utilize. Hence bringing in more people that spend money - which now turns it from a personal recording to a commercial recording.

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I wasn't thinking of giving every single song to every single singer, maybe start out by making a compilation disk for my regular singers.



I haven't tried it yet since I haven't figured out the best way to do it yet. I've got a CD recorder I could run from my mixer out. Or maybe hook up my laptop the same way.

I believe Lonman is correct it how it would be seen by the copyrite folks.

Even tho you didn't charge for the recording, it would be considered a feature you use to draw customers and that you and the bars owner would then benifit.

Hmmmmmm.......I guess if I was a KJ who wanted to try it, I would contact the legal arm of the copyrite enforcement guys and ask what I need to do.

I'll do that and let you guys know.

I had a web site (cabaret-karaoke.com) for 2 or3 years till I got tired of messing with it. I recorded some of my better singers uploaded to a features page and streamed them for real player and also had a mp3 download link. I had a disclaimer not for resale or comercial purposes. They were downloaded all over the world on a regular basis. Now what they did with them after down loading was on their own...

I still got the site registered and thinkin about reinstalling Hot Dog pro and building another web site but they take a lot time and effort.

I have a couple of songs on my site of my singers... I change them around every now and then! I've since then stopped doing it... not for fear of reprisal, but because it was just a lot of trouble.

This is definatly a grey area, but like mentioned above, if you give it away for free then the cdg manufacturers might not be foaming around their mouths. And you can always be nodding your head towards your tip jar :p. But if you want to do this seriously then I suggest you email your favorite karaoke disc manufacturer. I know that Pocketsongs for instance will charge you...
1-9 Songs $250 per song
10+ Songs $225 per song
If you are to use their music/cdg for making a Demo, play it on a radio station, reselling it with a singer, commericals etc

Just found this on Priddis Karaoke:

http://www.priddis.com/license.htm

Once our music has been purchased, the customer has our permission to use our music for personal in home use, for entertaining and performing for profit or nonprofit, for use in music and vocal lessons, and for making demo-tapes...

...We at Priddis Music have obtained proper licensing for the use of the songs contained on our tapes, CDGs, and DVDs, and have paid the appropriate royalties for such use...

Now, being a musician, I have recorded a lot of "Cover" music. Mostly for demos. Whenever I put those on the internet, I usually cut them down to not include the whole song. That does show how well we can play the song and not get into legalities.

Bottom line is you should be OK as long as if any charge is involved, it's for "Materials" (blank CD, use of the recorder, etc.).

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I have posted that question to Soundchoice [url]http://www.soundchoice.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000688.html

and have read this answer a dozen times. Anybody care to tell me what he is trying to say?[/url] Or trying not to say?

Now I know where I have seen your handle b4 Lonman!

I read the thread from the SCs website. Yeah I agree, it is very unclear exactly what he is saying here. Well Sound Choice say the following.

"We do not grant/give/approve/okay/allow because we do not have the that right or ability"

And then he is referring to "license changes" the only question is WHY?!

I am guessing that Sound Choice probably have limited abilities to what they are allowed to do legally before they get in trouble too. After all..lets say that person X buys a SC Toby Keith karaoke disc and a license. Records his performance in a studio..pays lets say the $250 for commercial use of that song and then make 10000 copies, sells it in a store or on radio station. Toby Keith then hears his song and he will not be satisfied with that you paid your $250 for using his song commerically, even though it is a karaoke track. I think that Sound Choice agreement in their turn is limited to "karaoke activities"...meaning that when it enters "recording" it is a different ball game. I am just guessing though.

Hey, not a Kj, but I came across this once in a K-Bar on the Oregon Coast. It was then tapes, but you could do the same with cdr's.

You could bring your own blank, unopened tape (cdr), or buy one from the KJ for a couple of bucks. (Actually I think it was $5)

When you went up to sing a song, you handed the KJ the blank, or put the request on the song slip that this song was "to be recorded".

She also did it with video tapes, which sold for a higher price.

It was done this way for that very reason. By the time you got recorded, she was not recording you "for a fee", she was doing it for free, using the singers own tape (cdr).

The price of purchasing the tape (or video tape) covered her costs I guess . NOBODY had brought their own. (I guess a few regulars might sometimes.) By the end of the night, everyone was "loosened up" enough to want a recording.

It sure made a fun karaoke night. She also put people on her website for free, it was cool- though I wasn't that brave.

One thing she did do- she made sure she had permission BEFORE recording or videoing ANYBODY. And if it was to be on her website, you had to sign a release stating she could use it there. That's something I think anyone doing this should think about. Atleast put up a sign telling people they will be recorded unless they request not to be. Cause if you record everyone at a show, thinking some may want a copy, what about the ones who DONT and may be pi**ed off that you did it without permission?

I think it's a cool option to have when ya go out to sing.

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In mY opinion:

Bringing your own tape or CD to tape yourself would probably get around the legality issue. It would be like bringing a dictamachine to tape yourself sing, or bringing a video camera to tape yourself sing.

The selling of blank CD's would not be an issue either. You can buy blank CD's anywhere.

That way, I don't think you are breaking any rules! That sounds like a really neat idea!

Ritisroo!, Yeah I went to Priddis website..they also say the following:

"Please note that purchase of our music does not include the right to duplicate or record our music. An exception being the recording of a demo-tape in which the customer's voice is recorded with our music. Additionally, sales and distribution of any product containing our music without obtaining proper licensing is strictly prohibited."

What they are saying is the following.
You can sing in public for money if you want using their karaoke music, but you can NOT record your voice with their music and then sell it without buying a license from the record company the original artist belongs to. Which means basically lets say you sing in public using their karaokesongs, you make X amount of money, that is ok. But if your friend is video taping you or recording you while you are singing, then you have to buy a license from the record company and not Priddis.

Well so they say..I how ever do not understand how recording it would make it illegal as long as it would be for personal use only and as long as you do not SELL the actual CD with the recording on it in your turn.

It's all in how you read it.

note: it says you do not have the right to duplicate or record their music.

It makes an exception in the case of recording a demo using their background music. Which in effect says it is ok to use it for that. But they Dont approve for you to sale and distribute their music.


If you are making a demo track for someone, you are not producing it for distribution.

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Cereal... if it's something that Toby Keith would hear, then people have far usurped the rights that they bought the original disc for.

We don't have the right to make demo tapes... now, something for entertainment only... that falls in line with the fair use act.

But the moment you want to use that item for a submission to something, then you don't have the right, unless you pay for the master license.