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Dave's not here.

My take on this subject is that I ALLOW people to sing on MY equipment, so if I decide to let them sing the songs, I will. If I decide that they CAN'T sing the songs, then they WON'T. I will tell them that they can't sing the song, if they don't like that, I'll tell them to go (F@#$) themselves.

Rosario
Serenity Now Karaoke

This is very interesting: a discussion about freedom of speech in a forum that filter off all those 'dirty' words.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Jian, the UCP allows you a choice of having the filtering turned on or off. That's not censorship, that's asking "Do you want me to block nasty language for you?", and allowing it to be a personal preference.

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Dave's not here.

Actually, the board itself set the filter; you can't typed in the f' words here (and a few other words). It is not the readers/posters choice.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Which is something those of us who have been around "awhile" already knew.

And why is there a filter in use on the forum? Because it is recognized, even though we are a group working for the common good of our industry/hobby, we ARE NOT A HOMOGENEOUS group. What some people find acceptable, others might not.

And, actually, most everybody filters their own speech everyday. And we do so in order to maintain a level of decency. And to do so is simple and it doesn't require work. And doing so doesn't take anything away from anybody, but rather, asks each of us to give something to one another - R E S P E C T!

And... it always gives me satisfaction knowing the forum's filter is in place, while I read the posts of those who believe they have achieved some moral "high ground" with their open mindedness, but who never actually stop to consider how much their speech is actually filtered everyday, mostly by themselves, sometimes by the rules of others!

Would you curse in court?

Would you discuss "f""king her gently" with your 90 year old first grade teacher?

Would you sing the "Rodeo Song" for your grandmother?

Would you say anything against gays in front of your employer who is gay?

Maybe you would?

And again, expecting someone to express their beliefs, prejudices, bigotries, dislikes, passions without using vulgarities, profanities and the likeDOESN'T infringe upon someones freedom of speech.

Forbidding someone to express their prejudices, bigotries and dislikes in any manner, no matter how eloquently presented DOES

We don't live in a perfect world, so when I hear the occaissional cuss word, or someone using discoarse discourse, it's not like my jaw drops. Of course that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement in the world...

I remember one night at a local karaoke bar there was this girl and her dad there. The girl, I believe, had just graduated from college. There was also a guy there who evidently new the girl as a friend and appeared to have some romantic inclinations for her and it seemed that she might share them. In fact, the way things were going that night, I was wondering if they might become "an item" . So...the guy gets up to sing a song and he sings...CSB. You look at the girl, and you could kind of see the wheels turning--it was just the wrong song. The date was off. She wanted diamonds, and she got cubic zirchonium. Hmmm....

I think that pop songs which came out of the 70's had more of an innocence to them. Even songs that were pushing the limit, were kind of pushing the limit for the first time. Now many of those limits have been far exceeded and so regularly exceeded that even the sense and concept of "limit" have become passe. And our culture has become somewhat numb to it. Witness the rise of the Urban Dictionary where it seems like every English word now has it's own deviant alternate definition, or two, or three. You get in what you think is a normal conversation with someone, and all of a sudden you begin to wonder if the conversation is really normal or if this person is using Urban definitions...has that happened to anyone besides me? And then you listen to a song like Summer Breeze by Seals and Crofts and you wonder if a song like that could even be written now. The lyrics are just regular words and it's a beautiful song.

Will the language ever get twisted back to normal?

Just to make it clear, the (automatic) filter didn't censor my last post, I did. I can type the symbols just as easy as the filter.

Rosario

If I was at a local grocery and the fruit aisle had a female employee handling produce. Would I get slapped if I told her those are some nice melons, while she was working on a fruit tray of watermelons?

Did the Dog show get censored because they used the B-word while judging a female dog?

A farmer is holding his rooster, would anyone get offended if I compliment him having a big c0ck?

I guess it's on who has a guilty mind and who doesn't.

Okay....

Let's try it this way. I work karaoke with my wife. If I am out at a karaoke show, I like my wife with me. She doesn't really enjoy karaoke so I am particularly concerned about her being comfortable with her surroundings and having a good experience.

Now consider this:
a. If I understand what Atxklown is suggesting, I agree that words must ALWAYS be taken in their context. Some believe that the etymology of our most notorious four letter word comes from a Dutch word, fokken , which means to breed cattle. And one can easily imagine what happened with that word over time.
b. Meanwhile, I HAVE NEVER heard my wife use any "vulgar " term other than "p@i@s@s".
c. Nonetheless, she is not a prude and would completely understand and find the fowl language used by Atxklown in complimenting the farmer to be completely acceptable.

But Atxklown, shouldn't you be most concerned not about "anybody" being offended but rather how the specific farmer that you complimented receives your praises of his ccock?

Well, I guess being a lyricist doesn't necessarily expand one horizons and experiences. Which probably explains your limited understanding of others opinions regarding vulgarities and profanities in public places. If nothing else, you believe that only you and perhaps a few others have had the experience of stretching the creative and free speech envelopes among those posting here.

I guess, then, you too had business dealings and socialized with people of the same ilk as some of the following pioneers in defining what is free speech; people who I interfaced with when I was involved in the publishing industry back in the mid 70's to early 90's? People like Larry Flynt, Gloria Leonard, Ira Ritter, Don Embinder, George Mavety (The Mavety group)

And BTW, none of them particularly leaned upon vulgar speech to convey their points in their everyday interactions with others. I guess that's because not of them were lyricists? George, in particular, was a very refined individual, quite charming and a dapper dresser.

Oh dear. It took you two days to come up with this? TWO DAYS to respond to an example that among other things was trying to point out that you're being a totally humorless, self righteous prig.

Now it looks like I've probably hurt your feelings again.

Here's a link to the complaint form for you.

HURT FEELINGS REPORT

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Dave's not here.

However long it took to reply to your personal attack on me and those who agree with me, the delay in replying reflects the fact that your post did nothing to move this debate along and didn't require an immediate response. It really isn't all that important, nonetheless those who agree with me don't deserve to be painted with the broad brush that you now say that you wielded in order to explain that we lack humor.

So, is it your sense of humor that allows you to minimize how others feel about profanity and vulgarities in public places?

Now that the debate has slowed down, I've turned to respond to what you would like us now to believe was not a put-down! So, again, please explain how either of the following descriptions used by you highlights BOTH your sense of humor and our lack of one:

(A) "I think tovmod and others have been overly influenced by the overly puritanical, conservative, and anal-retentive mores of fundamental religious sects[/i]."

(B) "Y'all are just a buncha &%$!headed tight (@$%&#!) prudes."

And anyone who labels people as you did, diminishes their analytical skills, ascribes automaton like behavior to them and strips them of their individuality and afterwards tries to diminish the nature of their attack is clearly a passive/aggressive! And, yes, I AM ANAL

First thing, I am in Texas, and mostly around the South borders, not only do many men compliment the rooster, they even places bets on that rooster.

And does Johnny have to say "I done told you once you Son of A Gun, I'm the best there's ever been" to the Devil at your venue?

You win Tov. I concede. I can't spend days at a time brooding over imagined insults. There's far too many more pleasant things to distract my attention.

Have a nice diatribe!

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Dave's not here.

Apropos....today I see the California Legislature is passing a resolution to make the first week of March "Cuss Free Week".

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14470454

Actually my first grade teacher was smokin' hot! I'm pretty sure she wasn't 90.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

I'm sure the taxpayers are glad for paying for the legislature to spend their time for the "No dirty language week" than the priority of getting that state out of writing IOU checks.

Well I suspect when the California Legislature goes out for karaoke night, their song of choice is probably the Kinks "Low Budget", which is good as it contains no cuss words.

Hey wait a second...is Low Budget even available on karaoke? I know I requested that song from Sound Choice a long time ago. They must still be working on it in the studio...

"Money’s rare there’s none to be found
So don’t think I’m tight if I don’t buy a round"

Beatles...Revolution.

BTW, Moonrider, in regards to your comment about the religious right and their prigish mores, I know plenty of liberals, leftists, atheists, and a few pagans who dislike constant cussing. the matter of karaoke isn't an issue of speech but an issue of responsible hosting per the venue's or host's desires.