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Like alot of us, I willl soon be in the hunt for new wireless mics (June deadline is looming). My current wireless are AKG WMS40 Duals (2 sets) I am looking to upgrade, and I know based on the reviews here in the forum, that SM58's are great sounding, but I was wondering about the feedback issues. The AKGWMS40 duals sound pretty good (less the handling noise), but I have to be careful about the gain before feedback. I can get it quite loud on the stage when there is just (1) person, but when I get (2) or more, I generally have to turn the floor monitors down to prevent that, then remember to turn them back up.

There are some super cardoid mics out there that claim superior gain before feedback, what is the concensous on that? Has anyone tried AKGWMS450 d5 or c5, wireless?

Mrmarog

SM58 wireless is very good. If you can afford the extra money, the Beta 58 is better. I have an old Beta 58 wireless and it is by far my best microphone.

You have been youing less expesive mics for a while now.

I think you will be more than happy with the Shure Dual PG58 set they are $550.

As suggested by Stogie, the Beta58 head would give you the supercardiod pattern. As far as feedback prevention (i.e. background rejection) the Beta58A would outperform the SM58 and usually only costs about $40 more. Otherwise, yes the SM58 is a great option and would definitely be an improvement over your current rig. The PG58's are a good option if you're trying to keep the budget tighter or (like me) don't trust putting a more expensive transmitter in the hands of your guests who may be quite intoxicated.

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I don't like supercardioids for karaoke. They require good mic technique to get the singer right on the mic. The SM58 works better for that purpose, as it is more tolerant. I find it has plenty of gain before feedback unless you are operating at rock-concert sound pressure levels.

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Thanks for the advice. I am planning on purchasing at least 2 wirelees this weekend. Based on everyones comments it looks as though it will have to be SM58's. I too have heard that supercardoids require a more seasoned singer with good mic technique.

Thank you,
Mrmarog

I have two PGX24/SM58 wireless mics. (Link) They sound great, have been dropped more than once, and just keep on rockin'. I can't say enough about them. The best purchase I ever made for my entire rig, bar none. By an 8-Pack of NiMH rechargeable batteries and a charger and you are good for a long time. Plus as mentioned the are modular so you can always buy a Beta head later if you wish.

I love my PGX SM58s as well. We use the WMS40s for drunk mics -- they sound decent for the price, and are quite durable, but they aren't SM58s. Luckily all of ours are outside the 700MHz range.

I was also able to pick up the lavalier setup for the PGX, cheap, which is great for speakers (I do PA for some organizations I belong to).

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I just bought (2) PGX SM58's. I should be getting them on Wenesday. I can't wait for my singers to try them out.

What really made my mind up is the fact that I have a SM58 wired mic in my closet, and I never used it! So I pulled it out last night and did a comparison, and I was sold.

Thanks Again,
Mrmarog

I had an older SM58 VHF system that sounded great until it finally went south, replaced with the SM58 PGX series and wouldn't go with anything else for the price.

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I picked up my first wireless PGX SM58 last week. I don't know if its just me but I don't think its sounds as good as my wired ones. I really have to crank the gain to get the same volume and it seems to feedback easier. I will say it has does have great range as I can go anywhere in the building with no dropouts.

Mojo

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Hi everyone, I want to thank you guys for directing me towards the Shure PGX24 SM58 mic. I received (2) sets yesterday, and they are absolutely amazing. Gain before feedback is as loud as I would ever have to have, no matter how weak the singers voice is. My only problem now is that I want another for my announcer's mike, because when i get the sound levels up higher for the performer mics it causes a potential for feedback from the announcer mic. I am doing a show tonight and I will let you guys know what my singers thought.

Mrmarog

After (2) weeks of testing the PGX SM58 I have come to the conclusion that they are over rated and require way too much EQ'ing to get them to a almost good sounding level. I was extremely unhappy right off the get go, until I tried the -10db pad. Prior to that the "boominess" was unbearable. This mic is intended to be used with more than 2" inches between lips and mic head, if you reduce this (like so many singers do) then the lows become very harsh. I set all my gains to unity with all channels barely flashing red (occasionally). I have tried every EQ setting imaginable on the mic channels. I have also tried them on Mackie, Samson, and Yamaha mixers ( I have them all, powered and unpowered). I am worn out and (2) SM58's are going back, and the 3rd I have to keep because I bought it "as is" used.

Mrmarog

PS I pm'd Jerry about his liking his AKG D5 wireless and have not gotten a response.

How is your low EQ set? At about the 9am setting? If you have it midrange without a cut I could see why you would have a problem.

Amazing that all those pro acts use them, if they are that bad. I don't see that much difference between them and my Sennheiser wired mics from an EQ standpoint.

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Hi Mickey, I agree with you about the pro's using them, but they know how to use them. If you stay 2-4 inches away they are greatly improved. I have a wired SM58 and it seems to be much less "boomy". We are dealing with Karaoke not professionals! Some of my singers do OK with them and others do not.

Mrmarog

Sorry. They are wired.
Hi mate, with the D5's I have bass at 12 o clock, 10% reduction at 1.5k & 10% reduction on trebble. I work a very small room. Loudly.
I use a ZED 14 desk. Mackie speakers and JBL monitor.
Gain before feedback is really good.
Unfortunately I have never had an SM58 to compare it with myself.
I do use a monitor so feedback could be an issue.
I can get feedback with a quiet singer where I push the mic. volume too high.
I have a DBX comp. limiter but wont use it because it reduces a singers dynamics.
Then again I have never had feedback with them (all EQ at 12 o clock) in a decent sized venue.
I have heard SM58's used in a loud band without problems.
I am sorry but I can't advise you how to spend your money.
Hire a D5 and see what you think.
My next mic. would be a D5.
Regards, Jerry

>>>> I have a DBX comp. limiter but wont use it because it reduces a singers dynamics. <<<<

Really? First time I've read this off this board.

Mark

Only if it is set incorrectly - which if one doesn't know how/when to adjust it (not a set it & forget it piece in a karaoke PA, needs to be adjusted for different singer oftentimes), it's going to overcompress & can actually cut the sound quality. A compressor is definitely another piece you want to understand a bit before actually using otherwise it can harm rather than enhance the sound. But once you understand it, you will never want to run a mic without one again.

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Oops!
I better learn to use it properly.
Could certainly make life easier.

If I do that with mine they get "tinny". The closer the better in my opinion. I would double check your EQ settings on the channel.