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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:03 am 
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Patrons buy their tickets at a hotel concierge-like desk, rather than a box office, or online, and are assigned seats. Ticket prices are $22 for a matinee, $27 for a weekday evening and $32 on the weekend. Before the show, customers can sit at tables in the lobby or bar, both sporting 1950s-era décor with dark orange and brown colors and lighting reminiscent of an old-school steakhouse.

Food and drink is where Gold Class earns its name. The menu, which changes seasonally and has a strong local flair, is a far cry from hot dog and nachos. It features appetizers such as Maine lobster rolls ( $18 ) and sushi ( $18 ). Entrees include Cuban sandwiches ( $11 ), duck tacos ( $15 ) and Kobe beef burgers ( $17

How many people would find value in a $32 ticket to see a first run movie on a Saturday night when every other movie theater is charging $10-$14? Those who want to sit in their own recliner instead of a sticky padded plastic seat. Those who want waiter service to bring them upscale food, drink (and alcohol). Those who are happy to pay a premium for better picture and sound. All those things contribute to the overall enjoyment of the movie - not to mention the feeling of exclusivity?

Might the same thing apply to karaoke singers who can afford a paltry $5 to sing in an upscale venue? A karaoke spot which ostensibly screens out the "rabble" who'll show up at the no-cover dive bar in favor of a more upscale venue with great sound and a big stage and premium food and drinks?

You can see it as either madness or genius. The proof is in the register ring which will become apparent soon.

I'm not sure how it screen out the 'rabble' when the beer is going to be ultimately cheaper than anywhere around. Since most of the 'rabble' in my experience only drink beer - this isn't going to be a bonus for those who really want an 'upscale' karaoke experience.

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I think that this is a two step process.

First get a reputation that the show is good enough to be worth a cover, then start charging a cover.

The show may have it's own merits that many people may be willing to pay a cover, but unless they know that they are not going to.

Starting out as a unknown show with a cover pretty much in my area would make sure of an nearly empty room. With an empty room building a reputation will be very difficult, and the slow build may take many months or even years. The owners are unlikely to give it the time it will take.

If the KJ already has a reputation to bring 20 or so people to the show (on the 2nd or third show, the first time is always easier), then maybe it is possible. But without that kind of following it may take years for the word to spread that it is a good show even if it is.

A big part of successful karoke is crowd and singer involvement (of course) and if the place does not have that core group working favorably it will never take off as a big success that is worth a cover.


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But, again, WHY is everyone focusing on a cover and ignoring the possibility of a minimum?

And for those who are adverse to "paying" for singing karaoke, are you also adverse to a minimum?

And if so, why?


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As a singer, a minimum is fine, I've gone to Lonnies in Nashville and it's a two drink Minimum, cash only, bottled beverages only. Now as far as busy nights anywhere, I'd hope to sing at least twice/ 3 times. Was just in San Antonio this week and there was someone with a 5 year old out at midnight and letting the 5 year old sing that late is nuts.....


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toqer @ Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:40 pm wrote:
We charge $1 per turn on stage and sellout almost every weeknight, always on weekends.


Yes, but you work in an Asian style bar, which is nothing like the standard American style karaoke bar. These are- as one one would guess due to U.S. entry point- still around in larger numbers on the west coast...

In Asian style bars, Bribery to be bumped is the norm, as is paying per song. The reason for this is that the KJ usually uses a house owned system, rarely gets paid much- something like a bartender- and relies on the bribes and tips for the main income. A KJ can even RE-SELL a bribed for bumped spot to a higher biddere!

The singers know, understand, and accept this. It's the way they have been doing karaoke since it was invented.

If I were to accept bribes and bump in an American style bar, I wouldn't last past the first week.....if I was allowed to live that long... :( :o

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I know you're on the edge of your seat...

4 people.

Yes, 4 people. Two of whom came at 8 on the dot (members of my local karaoke group) and sang about 10 songs each. Two of whom who just came in off the street and sang 2 songs each. Everyone said they loved it.

It didn't help that this usually busy area of town was pretty dead tonight. But it seems the owner is committed to making this night work - he made a 5' sign out of my logo artwork hung inside. The manager is now going to make the $5 for quarter beers optional, i.e. buy the cup for $5 and refills are 25 cents for the night. He'll also look toward promoting it as a service industry night with other drink specials.

So...no more cover! It lasted 1 week, but I don't think it specifically kept anyone away.

I'm told they've just hired a new marketing person who'll be working on attracting more group parties which is a huge market for their dueling piano shows.

Me? I'm in it to win it because a room this nice for karaoke deserves a big crowd!

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DangerousDanKaraoke @ Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:24 am wrote:
buy the cup for $5 and refills are 25 cents for the night. He'll also look toward promoting it as a service industry night with other drink specials.

THAT makes more sense & if it did not apply to everyone that walked through the door, then I would be more apt to wander in.
Does he have a big sign out front for that promotion too?

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DangerousDanKaraoke @ Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:24 am wrote:
The manager is now going to make the $5 for quarter beers optional, i.e. buy the cup for $5 and refills are 25 cents for the night. He'll also look toward promoting it as a service industry night with other drink specials.

So...no more cover! It lasted 1 week, but I don't think it specifically kept anyone away.



Now that is something that could work.... If you're told to pay $5 for the cup, and then get unlimited refills for 25 cents. You now have the choice to pay it or not.

And adding some kind of drink specials for those who aren't interested in drinking Beer is nice too.


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Are we talking a Dixie cup here? I can't see how the club could make any money at that rate. The place will be full of power drinkers (like me) in no time flat. In fact, where did you say this place was? I'm thinking of moving.

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cueball @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:43 am wrote:
And adding some kind of drink specials for those who aren't interested in drinking Beer is nice too.

$5 Long Island Ice Teas is what I was told will be starting next week.

I'm sure these guys are feeling their way through this...the venue is definitely a "destination location" - as opposed to a place that already gets a lot of foot traffic - even though it's only a couple of blocks off the main drag. The most important thing to me is that management seems committed to making this work, not like many of the bar owners I read about here who if you're not packing the place in a couple of weeks will cut you loose.

exweedfarmer @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:06 pm wrote:
Are we talking a Dixie cup here? I can't see how the club could make any money at that rate. The place will be full of power drinkers (like me) in no time flat.


You get about 160-12 oz. cups of beer from a keg. How many beers can one person drink before getting cut off?

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DangerousDanKaraoke @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:15 pm wrote:
You get about 160-12 oz. cups of beer from a keg. How many beers can one person drink before getting cut off?

Depends on the person. I've seen people drink 3 or 4 60 oz pitchers and not even seem phased.

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Lonman @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:33 pm wrote:
Depends on the person. I've seen people drink 3 or 4 60 oz pitchers and not even seem phased.


LOL...true! But no bartender would serve one individual 4 pitchers. That would be "overserving" and make the bar liable if this guy got into a car.

My Wednesday venue - admittedly rouwdy, drunken and collegiate - regularly cuts people off. I guess it wouldn't prevent someone else from buying them drinks, but at this Sunday venue it's all table service with one bartender and one waitperson.

I think it would be an awesome place for the hosts and singers on this board to have a meetup. Heck, I will even bring my CD+G player for Swingcat!

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DangerousDanKaraoke @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:21 pm wrote:
Lonman @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:33 pm wrote:
Depends on the person. I've seen people drink 3 or 4 60 oz pitchers and not even seem phased.


LOL...true! But no bartender would serve one individual 4 pitchers. That would be "overserving" and make the bar liable if this guy got into a car.

No 'respectable' bartender would knowingly serve more than they should, however I have watched the system get manipulated where people that may have been (or should have been) cut off, still get drinks at other tables (or others buy them for the person) or the waitresses & bartenders are not communicating properly & the person will go to one or the other & get another.

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Dan said: "I think it would be an awesome place for the hosts and singers on this board to have a meetup. Heck, I will even bring my CD+G player for Swingcat!"

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! You MUST be JOKING!!!!!! :)

Plan it for a 3-day weekend and maybe it could come to pass!!

But I think I'd kinda like to visit that Wedn night gig!

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I have a bar in memphis and I do charge a $5 cover on our Friday night shows. It did not really hurt my business, but I felt it did slow the growth.

So I decided to offer 1 free domestic beer or soft drink with each paid cover. I do think the change has generated some momentum for the show. I also offer Wed, Thur and Sun night shows at no cover because the KJ who works those nights is just the KJ and has no expenses (uses my equipment), but I am a beer and set up bar so without the cover on Fri it would make it hard to pay the KJ (bigger draw and does provide some additional songs).

I actually asked my customers for feedback on the cover and did not get one person who wanted it to stop. (Which shocked me!) They don't mind paying because it is a quality show and we put alot of money and care into the sound, but they do appreciate the 1st drink being included. It seems to be a win win in my position.


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in the past i had one club do cover charge but it was after repeatedly getting aline out the door for karaoke, and not having room capacity. that happens but its really the only reason to have it.



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No charge for karaoke. PERIOD!


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Joke at one of my venues recently - no cover to get in but one to get out. yuk yuk yuk.


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kameragurl @ Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:54 am wrote:
No charge for karaoke. PERIOD!


Don't EVER come to hawaii then!!!!!!!


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Tmontogmery @ Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:49 pm wrote:
I have a bar in memphis and I do charge a $5 cover on our Friday night shows. It did not really hurt my business, but I felt it did slow the growth.

So I decided to offer 1 free domestic beer or soft drink with each paid cover. I do think the change has generated some momentum for the show. I also offer Wed, Thur and Sun night shows at no cover because the KJ who works those nights is just the KJ and has no expenses (uses my equipment), but I am a beer and set up bar so without the cover on Fri it would make it hard to pay the KJ (bigger draw and does provide some additional songs).

I actually asked my customers for feedback on the cover and did not get one person who wanted it to stop. (Which shocked me!) They don't mind paying because it is a quality show and we put alot of money and care into the sound, but they do appreciate the 1st drink being included. It seems to be a win win in my position.


Finally and thankfully we hear from someone who is "in the know" and has determined that cover charges/minimums have their place. It has always amazed me just how many KJ's (purported business owners) resist such practices!

On other hand, I am no longer amazed by singers who don't think they need to pay anything to participate in a karaoke show

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